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21 Jan 2019, 9:51 am

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Yeah. I would say they would acting like as*holes, too. Of course they are.

There’s no history of oppression by Native Americans towards whites. They got pissed off at the Europeans for taking their land and killing them systematically. Note that I don’t blame the Europeans for spreading diseases among the Native Americans.

People have to learn to live together.


What does that have to do with children today though? We wouldn't judge a child if their father was a rapist but judge a race because other members of that race who may not even be their ancestors did what everyone else on the planet did and fought for land.



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21 Jan 2019, 9:58 am

Like I said, they were as*holes, too.

I’ve never been a slaveowner. I don’t feel guilty about slavery.

I’m a Jew. If I were a Non-Jewish German, I wouldn’t feel guilty about the Holocaust. I wasn’t a part of it.

Still, people should read history, and learn from it.

And people should be caring about the history of other peoples, as well as their own.



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21 Jan 2019, 10:12 am

Don’t forget:

Archie Bunker got blood from a black person. This helped him grow as a person.



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21 Jan 2019, 10:29 am

RACIST BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES BECOMING MORE MILITANT

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Behind that locked door is the Baltimore branch of the Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ, a black supremacist sect headquartered in New York City. Obsessed with hatred for whites and Jews, the leaders of the Israelite Church have managed to build up 29 church branches in recent years.

They are not alone.

Around the country, thousands of men and women have joined black supremacist groups on the extremist fringe of the Hebrew Israelite movement, a black nationalist theology that dates back to the 19th century. Its doctrine asserts that African Americans are God's true chosen people because they, not the people known to the world today as Jews, are the real descendants of the Hebrews of the Bible. Although most Hebrew Israelites are neither explicitly racist nor anti-Semitic and do not advocate violence, there is a rising extremist sector within the Hebrew Israelite movement whose adherents believe that Jews are devilish impostors and who openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery.

The notorious white supremacist leader Tom Metzger once remarked of extremist Hebrew Israelites, "They're the black counterparts of us." The belief system of extremist Hebrew Israelites is basically the reversed-color mirror image of the Christian Identity theology embraced by many white supremacists, which holds that mainstream Jews are the descendants of Satan and that white people are the chosen ones, divinely endowed by God with superior status over "mud people," believers' term for non-white individuals.

Since 2000, when the prophecy of a key leader failed to materialize (he predicted Christ would return to Earth at the dawn of the new millennium to wreak bloody vengeance on white people), the rhetoric of extremist Hebrew Israelites sects has been steadily heating up, with increasing talk of an impending apocalypse and God-ordained race war. At the same time, a magnetic young leader, who counts among his disciples the lead singer of a top-selling R&B group, emerged and rapidly expanded a movement that was previously concentrated in black inner-city neighborhoods on the East Coast. There are now extremist Hebrew Israelite churches in cities throughout Florida, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma and Oregon.

Confrontations between Hebrew Israelite street preachers and their perceived enemies are growing uglier and gaining increasing attention through video clips circulated to legions of viewers on websites like YouTube. The Israelite School of Universal Practical Knowledge, a sect that is the Israelite Church's main rival, has its own YouTube "channel," or video sharing distribution networks, with over 500 subscribers. One recently circulated Israelite School video, which has been viewed more than 26,000 times, shows a group of robed street preachers harassing a white woman until she bursts into tears. Another shows the preachers applauding as a white man kneels down to kiss the boots of "the prophets of God" while begging forgiveness for the sins of his race.

In yet another video, a preacher of the Israelite School, a man who identifies himself as General Mayakaahla Ka, offers this stark prediction for the future of the white race: "Every white person who doesn't get killed by Christ when he returns is going into slavery!"

I'm talking about 99 million n****rs! You talking about 6 million crackers?"

General Mayakaahla Ka is shouting at a college-aged Jewish kid outside the Market East Station in downtown Philadelphia. He and three other extremist Hebrew Israelite preachers, all wearing the Israelite School insignia of two swords crossed through a Star of David, berate their victim until he begins to weep. The altercation is part of an Israelite School recruiting video that began circulating this spring and has since been viewed more than 73,000 times.

"Are you saying the Holocaust is a joke?" the Jewish man asks.

"It's a joke!" the "general" responds. "The Holocaust is a damn joke! Heil Hitler!"

Mobile clusters of up to a dozen extremist Hebrew Israelite street preachers, known in the movement as "camps," have become a common presence at busy intersections, plazas and public transportation centers in large American cities, especially in Philadelphia, New York, Baltimore and Washington, D.C., as well as Venice, Calif. The camps are often remarkably aggressive and intimidating, railing against "white devils" and calling for death for Jews and gay men and lesbians.

Zacharyah ben Ya'aqov, a former racist Hebrew Israelite who was active in the movement in the 1990s, calls the activities of camps "evangelical terrorizing."

Extremist Hebrew Israelites have a long, strange list of enemies. At the top of the list are white people, who they preach are descended from a race of red, hairy beings, known as Edomites, who were spawned by Esau, the twin brother of Jacob (later known as Israel) in the Old Testament. Equally hated are "fraudulent" Jews, "the synagogue of Satan." They're closely followed in no particular order by Asians, promiscuous black women, abortionists, continental Africans (who, according to the extremist Israelites, sold the lost tribes of Israel, who were black, to European slave traders), and gay people, who according to extremist Israelites should all be put to death. (In December 2006, three gay men who were assaulted inside an Atlanta nightclub identified their attackers as Hebrew Israelites; no arrests were made.

Since 2001, Grant has produced the Arch Angel Awards, a version of the Grammys for musical artists who are avowed loyalists of the Israelite Church. The most famous of them is Wanya Morris, the lead singer of Boys II Men, a popular R&B group that's won four real Grammys and sold over 60 million records.

The vision of Grant and his fellow Hebrew Israelite hard-liners — an imminent and bloody demise for whites and other enemies at the hands of a vengeful returning Christ — is well captured in a scene from a 2007 documentary. In one scene from "The Gods of Times Square," an extremist Hebrew Israelite preacher delivers a sermon with his foot planted on the back of a white man laying flat on the sidewalk, arms splayed at his sides. A second preacher approaches the camera.

"White boy, you're next," he warns. "All you white people get ready for war. We're coming for you, white boys. Negroes are the real Jews. Get ready for war!"


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21 Jan 2019, 10:39 am

Those folks are nuts...Alt-Right in the sense that Klansmen are Alt-Right.



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21 Jan 2019, 11:03 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Like I said, they were as*holes, too.

I’ve never been a slaveowner. I don’t feel guilty about slavery.

I’m a Jew. If I were a Non-Jewish German, I wouldn’t feel guilty about the Holocaust. I wasn’t a part of it.

Still, people should read history, and learn from it.

And people should be caring about the history of other peoples, as well as their own.


The last a looked neither the Swiss nor the Irish were known as slave owners. As a matter of fact the Irish were slaves themselves at one time.



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21 Jan 2019, 11:13 am

Am I missing something vital here?


*MAGAboys waiting for bus after attending anti-abortion rally

*Crazy black israelites start shouting abuse at them in general before singling out black student in particular.

*MAGAboys start school chant to drown out crazy ravings.

*Natives come to the rescue, assuming MAGAboys are abusing the black jews.

*situation turns sour, and natives start shouting "go back to Europe" at MAGAboys

????????

"Shame on you for your bad behaviour, MAGAboys!"?


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21 Jan 2019, 11:23 am

Lets not forget that they asked their teachers for permission before performing their school rally chants. Doesn't sound particularly thuglife.



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21 Jan 2019, 12:08 pm

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There is no good side here. Most involved in the incident were acting like as*holes. Some people were more as*hole then others but I consider it a waste of my time to try and figure out who is worse. Mr. Phillips chose a really dumb way to be a peacemaker. His fellow AIM protester was telling the kids to go back to Europe. If I was in that group after all the insults I would have interpreted Mr. Phillips actions as hostile. I did not hear "Build a Wall" but several people did. The smile of the student is what we call a "s**t eating grin". The student claimed the chaperones told the students to respond to the racist chants with the school anthem. WTF is wrong with them? The chaperones should have gotten the students out of there. Being from New York I often have run into groups like the Black Israelites or individuals that scream insults at passerby. I understand they are a hopeless waste of time and not worth the risk of me getting hurt.

They took the students to a political demonstration. You must understand that attending a political demonstration entails risk in 2019.

The provocations did bring out their bigoted side. The students were mocking Indian chants.

Considering the provocations expulsion is too severe a punishment. I would say forget about anymore "field trips" for the students or the chaperones.

It is a miracle the situation did not escalate beyond verbal assaults.



That is pretty accurate, I think. Philips' heart was in the right place, but the comments he made to the press put all the blame on the students. Perhaps he didn't see the incident from the very beginning.


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21 Jan 2019, 12:09 pm

I think an underlying issue here that no one seems to be acknowledging is that I believe to many, the fundamental issue is that they think the young white males should never have been there in the first place let alone wearing MAGA hats. Am I right?



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21 Jan 2019, 12:21 pm

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I think an underlying issue here that no one seems to be acknowledging is that I believe to many, the fundamental issue is that they think the young white males should never have been there in the first place let alone wearing MAGA hats. Am I right?

Nope. Wear whatever you want, but don't expect to be immune from criticism.



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21 Jan 2019, 12:22 pm

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The USA is a republic that protects minority from the majority.

Of course, I should have said, 'within the bounds of minority rights'. But I thought that was understood.



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21 Jan 2019, 12:41 pm

I think at the very worst Philips and Sandmann were being a little rude towards each other. Something that was blown way way out of proportion. My guess is that if they both sat down together they'd probably enjoy one another's company.



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21 Jan 2019, 1:02 pm

EzraS wrote:
I think at the very worst Philips and Sandmann were being a little rude towards each other. Something that was blown way way out of proportion. My guess is that if they both sat down together they'd probably enjoy one another's company.

I agree.



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21 Jan 2019, 2:00 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
They were all acting like as*holes.

The kids should be strongly counseled and forced to watch film accounts of the Holocaust. And read accounts of the Jim Crow South.

Why because they’re trump supporters?



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21 Jan 2019, 2:06 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
They were all acting like as*holes.

The kids should be strongly counseled and forced to watch film accounts of the Holocaust. And read accounts of the Jim Crow South.

Why because they’re trump supporters?

Because they are Americans.