As if a pandemic isn't enough to deal with, Trump's calling

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Hmm, valid point:

Texas refuses to be left out of the stupidity:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/texas-da ... e5b8388499

Except it’s not protestors, it’s their own government advocating that people risk death for the sake of propping up the economy.

AG Barr weighed in.. surely with non-politicized impartial justice, right?

Nope! He, too, wants to sacrifice American lives for the sake of the economy.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/barr-jus ... af08ade15c

Hmm, this doesn’t look like the 14 days of consecutive declining case numbers as per the federal guidelines for states reopening:



The science of “close enough,” I guess ??

I think I can guess your answer to this, but what would be your opinion in the following hypothetical situation:
A state has a number of cases of this disease amongst people living in the capital city of the state and has implemented a state-wide shutdown as a result.

With no cases reported over the vast majority of this state, should the shutdown remain in force across the entire state, or should it be lifted in the areas not affected?
AND
What would you consider to be the requirements needing to be met before the shutdown can be lifted from the area of the state that did not have it lifted as a result of your responce to the previous question?

Depends: What’s going on in neighbouring states & is there any interstate travel?

Even if restrictions were partly lifted outside the capital there’s still a chance that there are asymptomatic carriers transmitting the virus outside the capital.

I’m kinda for the region wide lockdowns to continue until numbers have been declining daily for weeks before things start to open up again.

We have a pretty large Province. Some in areas with few cases may feel they should be able to read restrictions. While we do have a low death toll, only 18 people per million vs the Canada wide 53 people per million, we still haven’t had multiple weeks of declining numbers to say we should ease up yet here.

Better safe than sorry. Rather err on the side of caution and just keep things on pause except for essential services. Too many industries are still allowed to work right now that aren’t essential to anything except making money, IMO.

Our population has Not been perfectly behaved - lots of stupid f*****s traveling for Easter weekend. But overall our well behaved cautious approach to things is why we only have 18 people per million dead right now.

How many weeks of declining numbers of new cases or what’s the floor of number of cases to reopen things in cautious stages? I don’t know. It’s not my area of expertise. USA federal guidelines say 14 days of declining new cases before a state should consider starting to reopen. I suppose the floor for number of cases is going to depend on the capacity of a region’s healthcare system to deal with new cases.. if they only have 2 ICU beds they’d better have zero cases. If they have 10,000 they could probably manage several hundred or maybe even a couple thousand - that’s up to the experts to determine; but I at least think capacity to manage & mitigate should be a decision making criteria.

Someone else’ response may vary depending on where they live and what their economic situation is. Here, almost everyone is taken care of. A few people have fallen through the cracks of benefits programs but Many people qualify for $2000/mo for 16 weeks for an initial benefits program. Students are the largest group falling through the cracks so chances are many of them are working at places that are still open. But for the Many people here we have the luxury of just sitting back and waiting to see what happens so there’s no rush to go back to work. It’s harder for people paying exorbitant market rent prices here than it is for me personally, but for the most part, compared to Americans, we don’t Have To go to work right now because our government believes in science and doesn’t expect us to die for a president’s re-election campaign unemployment and stock market numbers.

South of the border? Probably a much different story. Their gov’t decided to bailout corporations instead of people, so naturally they would say they’d want to get back to work sooner and not be as cautious. “Tell me how I’m measured and I’ll show you how I’ll behave.” No work, no money, no food? Damn rights American wage slaves are ready to go back to work. It’s just sad that many there don’t see that it’s their government not taking care of them (with their own tax dollars!) that forces them to have to risk their lives during a viral pandemic instead of being able to get it under control first.

Ok I guess you are in overkill mode goldie...time to reel the line back in...

Putting aside questions about whether the head of state has the power to do what you describe...

I think the issue you would have would be that you’d probably need to strengthen the lockdown in the capital. Stay at home unless you are a key worker or need to go to hospital. Nobody in or out of the city.

Once you do that, I think you’re naturally going to get greater opposition. You lose the sense of national solidarity (or statewide solidarity, if this is a subnational state), you really do start to take over people’s lives, and you have a clear and marked contrast between different groups that may cause resentment.

All things considered, I think it is safer and less intrusive to continue a statewide lockdown.

Deciding when to lift such a lockdown isn’t exactly a short simple answer question that can be answered with a calendar date. Like saaaay, Easter weekend for example. Unlike trump, I realize it’s complicated.

Ok,They do look like idiots, what are they doing protesting with their guns ? Gonna shoot the virus with them?

Curiosity killed the cat.