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10 Dec 2022, 10:40 am

Even Jackie O seems to be a ...not solid.

I was just now trying to find the site that said Jacki O had Black grandparents...and stumbled on another site that gave a detailed genealogy of her recent progenitors that doesnt mention anyone not European. BUT it tells a wild story about how WAY BACK she had ancestor in 1664 who was a Dutch pirate - who 'went native in Morrocco..converted to Islam...and returned to New York ...which was then New Amsterdam...with a dark Arab Moroccan Arab mistress" (who presumably contributed to Jackie's DNA. Thats kinda cool! :D

I guess both things are true. Many celebs you assume are White are not. But many rumors about celeb ancestors are not true either.

I think that I will ...lay off ...before I get lost in the Internet on this stuff!



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10 Dec 2022, 6:22 pm

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Not that it really matters…..but it doesn’t seem like Clark Gable had African ancestry.

It matters from the standpoint of accuracy only.


There's been a number of high profile Americans with African ancestry who never publicly admitted it but through family trees was discovered to be the case. Clarke Gable was one of them. Others include:Head of FBI: Herbert Hoover (some irony here given he was a crusader against black civil rights)



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10 Dec 2022, 6:25 pm

According to 23 and me it's likely millions of white Americans have a black slave ancestor

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10 Dec 2022, 8:16 pm

I’m not saying it can’t happen….but on what evidence do you conclude that Clark Gable had African ancestry? If it turns out that he did, so what?

Ultimately, of course, EVERYBODY has African ancestry.

If I find out I have relatively recent African ancestry, that wouldn’t faze me in the least.



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10 Dec 2022, 8:59 pm

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I’m not saying it can’t happen….but on what evidence do you conclude that Clark Gable had African ancestry? If it turns out that he did, so what?

Ultimately, of course, EVERYBODY has African ancestry.

If I find out I have relatively recent African ancestry, that wouldn’t faze me in the least.


A popular passtime in America is doing family trees and ancestry
There's some cringeworthy documentaries out there about American families discovering they had a recent black ancestor in their family tree. It is a big deal for them. And the reaction is never positive


When families do family trees or DNA tests they want to find famous or illustrious white ancestors whom they can be proud. When they find a black ancestor it's like they stepped on a mine. It's so cringe to watch,

Same with young people who post their DNA testing on 23 and me or Ancestry.com. They get all excited about having 1% Scandinavian ancestry but pretend to not notice they have 5% Subsaharan African ancestry. Just such cultural cringe.



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10 Dec 2022, 11:05 pm

I have a grandfather who died of alcoholism. He was Jewish.

If I had a black ancestor who was an accountant, or even a great carpenter who lived an honorable life, I would be proud.



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10 Dec 2022, 11:27 pm

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If I had a black ancestor who was an accountant, or even a great carpenter who lived an honorable life, I would be proud.


You at least have grounded attitudes/values



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11 Dec 2022, 9:32 am

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Sounds like a very interesting movie I'll have to check it out. :)

You sound just like my mom btw when she finally came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it to try and maintain a relationship with her own narcissistic mother. Can't say I blame either of you, narcissists are the worst!

And yes I too hope we soon come out of this period of jerks and wannabe jerks. :heart:


Yes it is a pretty moving and engaging film. I am a bit shocked that the 1980s is now historical though!! I was a teenager in the 1980s! 8O

All the advice from narcissism experts is to go No Contact with narcissists. That suits me.

But the main reason is...when I actually do go to see my mother, all she does is moan and complain and doesn't seem to enjoy the visit. Therefore why should I visit if it only annoys and upsets her? Why should I inflict my awful self on her? So I don't.

The last time I saw her was in April 2022 after over a year. She stayed 2 hours because she'd got sick of us by then, her only daughter and granddaughter. So she doesn't really miss me, it's just emotional blackmail she likes to do. It doesn't work on me anymore.


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11 Dec 2022, 9:34 am

Remember folks. We all originate from Africa, so racists are talking nonsense.


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11 Dec 2022, 12:11 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
If I had a black ancestor who was an accountant, or even a great carpenter who lived an honorable life, I would be proud.


You at least have grounded attitudes/values


Dude...stop it with the sloppy reasoning please.

1)If you're purpose is to prove that one person: Clark Gable was Black you have lost the argument by failing to produce any evidence. None of your maps and graphs have a darn thing to do with proving your point( if that is indeed your point). So just admit defeat already.

2)The fact that there are tons of other "White" celebs who are really Black or have Black ancestry has nothing to do with proving that that a rumor about it is true in any one particular case. Like Clark Gable. So stop talking like it does prove it. Its a logical fallacy. The fact that J. Edgar Hoover, or Slash (in gunsnroses) is Black doesnt prove that Clark Gable was Black. Gable might have been...but I cant find solid evidence for it in my quick search, and you certainly havent proven it.

3) Krafty, and everyone else on this thread, is 'innocent until proven guilty' of racism. You can assume that Krafty and I and every other White person on this thread would NOT be upset if Clark Gable turned out to be Black, or that even if they themselves had Black ancestry.

4) If your point is that you're not sure about Gable, but that many "White" folks are part Black then thats a different subject. And you have shown that to be so, but then you should state it that way if thats your point.



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11 Dec 2022, 3:05 pm

NP, were you are lawyer before you retired?



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12 Dec 2022, 1:54 am

:lol:

No. Am just an aspie.

My gf says I should stop expecting most folks to "think the systematic way you do" so... I should go ez on them, or something. :lol:



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10 Feb 2025, 5:06 pm

Kanye West Sells Swastika T-shirts After Days-long Antisemitic Binge Glorifying Hitler, Deletes X Account

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American rapper Kanye West's multi-day social media meltdown, which included a torrent of profanity-laced antisemitic, racist, and misogynistic messages, culminated with the announcement that he was deleting his X account.

The departure came after X owner Elon Musk said he had labeled the account with a "sensitive content warning," a move that reignited the ongoing debate over free speech on Musk's platform.

Just before closing out his account, West seems to have posted one more message, announcing he was scrubbing the website for his apparel company, Yeezy, of all items save one t-shirt with a black swastika on the front. "I've wanted to make this tee shirt for years," the now-deleted post read, "My greatest performance art piece thus far." The t-shirt now appears to be available for purchase from the website.

On Friday, West, who also goes by the name Ye, praised Hitler, called himself a Nazi, ranted against Jews and said antisemitism was "just some BS Jewish people made up to protect their BS." "I'm going to normalize talking about hitler [sic]," he added, "Hitler was soooo fresh."

He continued his antisemitic posts through the weekend, including during Sunday's Super Bowl, including a tweet attacking singer Kendrick Lamar who performed during the halftime show, writing, "KENDRICK IS BEING USED BY THESE WHITE PEOPLE AND JEWS AND SO AM I AS I TWEET IN CODE WORDS AND KISS ELONS ASS AND BEG HIM TO NOT CANCEL MY ACCOUNT."

Kanye's rants sparked numerous calls to ban the rapper from X. On Saturday, former Friends actor David Schwimmer, who is Jewish, took to Instagram to demand that X, and other social media sites "stop giving him a megaphone."

"Kanye West has 32.7 million followers on your platform, X," Schwimmer wrote, addressing Musk directly. "That's twice as many people than the number of Jews in existence. His sick hate speech results in REAL LIFE violence against Jews."

The actor added, "I don't know what's worse, the fact that he identifies as a Nazi (which implies he wants to exterminate ALL marginalized communities, including his own) or the fact that there is not sufficient OUTRAGE to remove and ban him from all social media at this point.

Before West deactivated his account, calls to shut it down ignited another round in the long-standing debate regarding X's relationship to the first amendment, an argument that has only intensified since Musk purchased the platform in 2022 and declared himself a "free speech absolutist."

Even among West's detractors, there were those who defended his right to express his thoughts, however reviled they might be. "Free speech is the foundation of a healthy society, we can't let censorship prevail," one such post read. "Let Free Speech Reign, it's the only way to ensure that all voices are heard and that we can have real conversations about important issues. Banning Kanye would be a mistake, it's up to us to engage with his ideas and respond thoughtfully, not try to silence him.

Others argued that the posts should stay up as a reminder of West's true colors. "Let Kanye keep posting," declared Nioh Berg, who calls herself "the most famous Iranian Jew on X."

"It's really important for certain people on this app to see the sheer mental illness contagion in their movement.

"Do NOT suspend him for taking his mask off. Let him expose himself," she added.

On Sunday, it appeared Musk had stopped short of a full ban, opting instead to mark West's account and several of his specific posts and videos as "sensitive content," a label that comes with limitations on who will be shown the content. Responding to conservative political strategist Joey Mannarino, who also demanded a ban on West, Musk wrote, "Given what he has posted, his account is now classified as NSFW. You should not be seeing that anymore."

Mannarino, like many others, reported that the embattled rap artist had begun to post pornographic videos on his X account. "Kanye West might be the first person I will ever support being banned from X," the message read. "Not because I don't believe in free speech, but because he's posting literal porn on the timeline."

Hours later, it seemed West had opted to see himself out, writing in a farewell post, "I'm logging out of Twitter. I appreciate Elon for allowing me to vent."


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11 Feb 2025, 1:34 am

He really needs to take his meds. Perhaps double his original dose.



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11 Feb 2025, 1:36 am

that cyberdad character sounds like a real jerk!



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11 Feb 2025, 1:52 am

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He really needs to take his meds. Perhaps double his original dose.

Mental illness did not make him a Nazi, it just destroyed his ability to filter it. That he repeatedly during his episodes comes back to the same topic is not an accident.


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