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04 Jun 2009, 6:56 pm

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Thats probably not true, but thats the real way things are meant to be taken.

What's probably not true? The part about the Catholic Church? Au contrare... when I looked up the citation in my Papal edition of the Holy Bible, that's what the relevant foot note said.

Having been educated in parochial school, I can say we were always taught Jesus was a man of peace, eschewing the power of weapons for the Power of the Spirit or God.

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04 Jun 2009, 7:26 pm

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How come people always say Judas betrayed Christ? I mean according to what I have been taught ( i grew up Lutheran, am now more agnostic), God's plan was for Christ to die that way the whole time. He sent his son down to die for our sins. Isn't it rather backwards of portraying the guy that indirectly lead to your salvation in a negative light? Personally i think it would make Judas a good guy ( i mean hey he did the job that no would have wanted). Also of interest, what do the Mainstream Religions thing happened to him? Did he go to heaven for helping God save EVERYONE? or was he sent to hell for "betraying" god or for committing suicide.

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Just a general observation. Religion + Weapons seems to equal a lot of death. Jihad's, Crusades, Cults going crazy. Perhaps having your congregation isn't the safest idea.

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04 Jun 2009, 7:40 pm

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What a crock of sh**. One, they aren't christians. Seems a lot of places in the south of America have their own idea of what religion is. Its very sad.

Luke 22:36 He that has no sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one.

There is a lot more where that came from, Peter did not use a spiritual sword to cut off a Roman soldier's ear.

2 Kings Chapter 10. Jehu kills Ahab and drags his body behind the Chariot, takes over the town, throws Jezebel to the dogs and slaughters the worshipers of Baal Peor.

All of Psalm 149.

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04 Jun 2009, 8:01 pm

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well it was satan who betrayed Jesus, satan entered into judas (ie possessed him) then did the deed. judas the man was just the vehicle, not the driver.

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I see it as humourous, like a wear your slobby clothes to work day, or bring your kids/pets to work. you know one of those wacky 'fun' things groups of people do.

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04 Jun 2009, 8:37 pm

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ladyinred wrote:

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What a crock of sh**. One, they aren't christians. Seems a lot of places in the south of America have their own idea of what religion is. Its very sad.

Someone already used that one why don't you supply us with a different quote.

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04 Jun 2009, 8:46 pm

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Thats probably not true, but thats the real way things are meant to be taken.

As in, a large part of the bible isn't true. Just tales and myths, but there are some good points in there.

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04 Jun 2009, 8:53 pm

Ah. Yes, none of it would be admissable in a court of law. And indeed, some good points, just like in all myths.

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04 Jun 2009, 9:59 pm

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So why done people say Satan betrayed him? Because Satan is incorporeal and they people need a physical body to blame? And Did Jesus trust Satan, i mean the guy had been his dad enemy for a long time by that point, Why would he trust him? And Is Satan really evil? God kinda needs him to balance out the whole good and evil thing.

And is god vengeful, or forgiving? If hes forgiving, why does he not forgive Satan. I mean if your an all loving god, kinda makes you a hypocrite not to.

Finially, I am completely away I'm WAY off topic, but now my interest is peaked.

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04 Jun 2009, 10:39 pm

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Nothing like taking partial quotes literally and out of context...

Just to fill everyone in, that line is part of what Jesus said to his disciples just before his capture by the High Priests and Temple guards. He goes on to say, 'For I say to you that this which is written must yet be fulfilled in me, 'And he is reckoned among the wicked'.'

This passage is interpreted by the Catholic Church (among others) to mean that Jesus was telling his followers that they must be prepared through spiritual weapons to meet all sorts of dangers, trials and hardships.

Then Jesus is betrayed by Judas, and as the soldiers make to seize him, the disciples say, "Lord, shall we strike with the sword?" And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his ear. But Jesus answered and said, "Bear with them thus far." And he touched the man's ear and healed him.

And then he surrendered himself into their hands.

So tell me... How many raffle tickets would Jesus buy?

I do not know that Jesus was the Saviour, but he was a great and courageous man. Carrying guns into a sanctuary and refuge purporting to be Christian is blasphemy against the man and his teachings.

John 18:10-11 it was Peter who used an actual sword not a spiritual sword. Why would a person need to sell their garments to buy a spiritual sword? Does Yahweh need the money when he could turn the Moon into a diamond and hawk it to Vishnu?
How many here who are defining what they think Christianity should be are actually Christians?

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04 Jun 2009, 10:49 pm

ikorack wrote:

velodog wrote:

ladyinred wrote:

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What a crock of sh**. One, they aren't christians. Seems a lot of places in the south of America have their own idea of what religion is. Its very sad.

Someone already used that one why don't you supply us with a different quote.

Because that specific quote does have Jesus advising his followers to be armed, and the fact that he mentions selling garments to buy it and Peter cutting off Malchus' ear all point to it being an actual sword.

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04 Jun 2009, 11:56 pm

your religion does not have a blessing of the arms?

Down here we bless shrimp boats. They get all dressed up and mass is said at the dock.

During droughts there are prayers for rain, the same as to Hadad at the Temple of Baal.

Jesus got Voodoo, he made a Zombie! We dance, beat drums, and offer rum!

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05 Jun 2009, 12:25 am

Lab Pet is an Alaskan so this all foreign. Admittedly, the idea is *almost* funny! To clarify, guns don't kill people, guns shot wounds kill people. And also dinner but that's another topic.

I'm just envisioning the Snake Handlers and their church in the American South. So why not guns? If you (pardon, y'all < is that correct?) have poisonous rattle snakes, why not loaded guns? Ok, kidding....sort-of.

Isn't church supposed to be about love and harmony? Not congruent with weaponry. If you're really going to do it, why not wakazaki swords for all? Wooden stakes? Like the Inventor wrote, they could use rum instead of wine for the blood of Christ....I guess.

Just very peculiar. Lab Pet is allergic to shrimp, btw.

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05 Jun 2009, 1:02 am

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If a gun is a tool and neither good nor evil, it still leaves the fact that they are designed to kill humans

Uh-oh, I'm having an Aspie moment... that's not entirely accurate, VA. Firearms are designed (in large part) to kill. Not just humans.

But your point about the crux of the issue is dead on... (a little sick humor, there) :lol:

Och! I meant to say "handguns", not just guns in general there. Not many out there hunting deer with a handgun, for example. Thanks for the catch! I hope I didn't offend any marksmen, etc. with that...

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05 Jun 2009, 1:11 am

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aw, you should probably start a new thread.

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And is god vengeful, or forgiving? If hes forgiving, why does he not forgive Satan. I mean if your an all loving god, kinda makes you a hypocrite not to.

You have to repent in order to be forgiven.

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05 Jun 2009, 1:47 am

Meh, I've heard of churches doing much weirder and worse things before, I don't see the big deal. I think that the mistake that a lot of people make when it comes to guns is assuming that an interest in them automatically includes a desire to do harm, which is of course baloney. I'm no fan of religion in general, but I don't see any conflict with what I know of Christian doctrine and teaching about guns, unless they're encouraging parishioners to go out and shoot people, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

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05 Jun 2009, 2:01 am

mm there's been violent attacks on churches and ministers in the US hasn't there, it maybe a response to that.

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