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05 Jul 2009, 12:19 am

^Because they never tell the media everything, that's why. Maybe there is more to this than has been revealed.


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05 Jul 2009, 10:55 am

The potential sentence of 70 years in US (compared to a maximum of 5 years if he's
tried in Britain) seems excessive. Gary McKinnon is clearly naive and displays a lack
of self-awareness of his own arrogance at times,but that has been identified as part
of his Asperger's. I think 5 years would fit the crime more than 70. What's disconcerting
is that both the US and UK governments appear to be completely dismissing the fact that
his Asperger's could have any influence whatsoever on his behaviour or his failure to
realise the impact it would have.


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06 Jul 2009, 8:23 am

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At long last a main British newspaper is starting a campaign to help, makes a change! what a nightmare and waste of taxes, but at least it has got people to start to talk about autism..


If you're referring to the Daily Mail campaign that was publshed on Saturday, I know. I thought it was bizarre to see such a reactionary newspaper acting as the nation's liberal conscience, and I don't entirely trust their motives for getting involved, but ... if it draws attention to the

He may well have a sentence to serve - after reading the full details of what he actually did, and the degree of technical knowledge necessary to carry out those things, I'm not entirely convinced that he's a harmless UFO nut either. Nonetheless, a potential 70-year sentence in a foreign country is an unduly harsh punishment even for someone with no neurological difficulties, and the odour of scapegoating is involved impossible to ignore.



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11 Jul 2009, 8:42 am

In my belief, he should be trialed in the U.S. because under international law, he has to be trialed under U.S. justice system. Hacking into the Pentagon is a serious matter which can not be look over very lightly. I have Asperger's myself but I know that hacking into the U.S. federal government computer systems and even the Department of Defense is a serious federal offense that is not worth the time to do the hacking at all.


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11 Jul 2009, 12:27 pm

Meh, are you sure the pentagon would let itself be infiltrated by someone who knows the DEFAULT usernames and passwords? (if i understood the story right...). I'd expect a bit more from the Pentagon if this is true.



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11 Jul 2009, 2:20 pm

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Meh, are you sure the pentagon would let itself be infiltrated by someone who knows the DEFAULT usernames and passwords? (if i understood the story right...). I'd expect a bit more from the Pentagon if this is true.


DoD is quite serious about protecting its information even those in the Pentagon.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/ ... index.html

He is more than likely going to do 10 years max instead of 70 (out of proportion for hacking since murders get such time instead).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 01101.html

Take that back since there is property damages to the 100 U.S. computer systems involved the hacking plus right after 9/11 and with the Patriot Act in law, the term of up to 70 years is right since hacking confidential files of U.S. Government and Military to find proof of extra-terrestrial life (very naive to do such a silly thing). His actions would be a terrorist action (cyberterrorism). Seven counts of computer fraud and related activity is quite a serious matter.


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11 Jul 2009, 3:49 pm

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[b]He got into computers because they were too dumb or lazy to [b]change the password from the default that came with the software.
[/b][/b]Come on, this guy is not an international terrorist. He honestly did get past those computers because someone was too divvy to change the passwords. You know, I'm Irish, and it was well known during the seventies and eighties that if you wanted to plot a terrorist activity, you should do it in the US, since their security wasn't nearly so tight as the UK's. Yes, you could argue that this was because the US wasn't the target of IRA activity, but that scarcely looks good for the US either...

Anyway, not wanting to offend anyone, but it must be said ... the US looks stupid because of this "hacking" incident, and being so embarassed by having their incompetence shown up, it seems likely that they are over reacting. American corporations (like McDonald's) have been using international law to sue British citizens for years, and the extradition laws are patently unfair.

I do think that this man should be granted the right of a trial in the UK, since he is a UK citizen, and since he didn't exactly hide what he was up to. If he was a terrorist, do you honestly think he'd have hacked into these systems from his bedroom? Do you think he'd have warned them that their security was naff, and left ideas as to how to improve it?

The guy's not a terrorist. Seriously... to my US brethren... get a grip.



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11 Jul 2009, 4:44 pm

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[b]He got into computers because they were too dumb or lazy to [b]change the password from the default that came with the software.
[/b][/b]Come on, this guy is not an international terrorist. He honestly did get past those computers because someone was too divvy to change the passwords. You know, I'm Irish, and it was well known during the seventies and eighties that if you wanted to plot a terrorist activity, you should do it in the US, since their security wasn't nearly so tight as the UK's. Yes, you could argue that this was because the US wasn't the target of IRA activity, but that scarcely looks good for the US either...

Anyway, not wanting to offend anyone, but it must be said ... the US looks stupid because of this "hacking" incident, and being so embarassed by having their incompetence shown up, it seems likely that they are over reacting. American corporations (like McDonald's) have been using international law to sue British citizens for years, and the extradition laws are patently unfair.

I do think that this man should be granted the right of a trial in the UK, since he is a UK citizen, and since he didn't exactly hide what he was up to. If he was a terrorist, do you honestly think he'd have hacked into these systems from his bedroom? Do you think he'd have warned them that their security was naff, and left ideas as to how to improve it?

The guy's not a terrorist. Seriously... to my US brethren... get a grip.


You are correct about him not being a terrorist. However, since he hacked into top government and military computer systems which can not be ignored very easily with the damages that have been done. He did point out the improvements we need in the systems. He looked at classified files which is also an serious issue as well.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Romanian ... 7314.shtml

Very Serious Matter for another Pentagon Hacker.


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11 Jul 2009, 5:29 pm

What if he had *looked* (maybe a more accurate term than 'hacked' here) in the military computers of Iran? N.Korea? or someother place. The issue of the extraordinarily disproportionate extradition treaty would not apply, but otherwise i would expect people to show some level of consistency in their views on cyber-crime extradition..

In the interview with Jon Ronson, GM says he was never alone, and could sometimes see dozens of other 'hackers' from all over the world on the system at the same time. (apparently thats what happens when you cant be bothered to change the passwords) If thats true, which sounds plausible then why single him out?



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11 Jul 2009, 6:02 pm

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What if he had *looked* (maybe a more accurate term than 'hacked' here) in the military computers of Iran? N.Korea? or someother place. The issue of the extraordinarily disproportionate extradition treaty would not apply, but otherwise i would expect people to show some level of consistency in their views on cyber-crime extradition..

In the interview with Jon Ronson, GM says he was never alone, and could sometimes see dozens of other 'hackers' from all over the world on the system at the same time. (apparently thats what happens when you cant be bothered to change the passwords) If thats true, which sounds plausible then why single him out?


No one would care if he did hacked North Korea (Not many computers there) or Iran except top level intelligence agencies of certain countries.


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31 Jul 2009, 6:11 am

I have been following this case for a long time. In my own opinion (from hearing lots of interviews from him) he is a liar.

Not only is he using the UFO community in his defence, but now he has also has dragged the aspie community into it as well. It shines a bad light on both with every new headline. It is especially bad for the UFO community because they fight so hard for respectability in the main stream news.

I think he was just hacking to have fun and as soon as he got caught decided to use any defence he could think of.

Shame on him.



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31 Jul 2009, 7:13 am

JerryHatake wrote:
mgran wrote:

You are correct about him not being a terrorist. However, since he hacked into top government and military computer systems which can not be ignored very easily with the damages that have been done. He did point out the improvements we need in the systems. He looked at classified files which is also an serious issue as well.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Romanian ... 7314.shtml

Very Serious Matter for another Pentagon Hacker.


The SERIOUS issue is the NT world. If it stopped its f***ing stupid games or war and spying and terrorism and mass hypocrisy there would be no Gary McKinnon.

If McKinnon hacked North Korea's computers he would be hailed a hero



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31 Jul 2009, 9:10 am

If McKinnon hacked North Korea's computers he would be hailed a hero --quote

No they would have called It a "plot" and there would be a lot bending over and kissing our own butts to keep them from nuking South Korea. Then if they could get away with it they would have had him shot.



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31 Jul 2009, 3:16 pm

quantum42 wrote:
The SERIOUS issue is the NT world. If it stopped its f***ing stupid games or war and spying and terrorism and mass hypocrisy there would be no Gary McKinnon.

Sure, that's going to happen. :roll: Just sing along with John and everything will be flowery and peaceful.

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01 Aug 2009, 11:05 am

If ONLY :)

The US have a lot to answer for!

Maybe we should start our own WP political party and make war illegal...

Imagine...

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01 Aug 2009, 5:15 pm

I have very strong feelings about this case.
What is happening is just sooooooo wrong.

Our politicians after saying they will back a motion not to extradite him then lost there bottle and ether abstained or voted with the whip.

I wrote to my MP - she abstained at the vote although I was sent reply from my letter.

I have made frequent posts on various forums and the BBC.

The man may be many things but is clearly not a terrorist and there is every reason to try him here not in America.
Although we are bombarded with American media the truth is America has a very different culture to the UK and to us there legal system is unfathomable and there penal system very harsh.

The one sided extradition agreement with the US was hastily made anti terrorism law and questionable and as tends to happen with such laws it is misused on people who are not terrorists.

There is much to concern everyone as to what is happening here!


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