Ambivalence
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24 Mar 2010, 5:27 pm
ruveyn wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
What a country, indeed.
Try as I might, I fail to see how this contributes to the peace, order and good government of a modern country. But then again, as peace, order and good government has always been the Canadian way, rather than the American way, perhaps that is as it should be.
Try as I might, I fail to see how this contributes to the peace, order and good government of a modern country. But then again, as peace, order and good government has always been the Canadian way, rather than the American way, perhaps that is as it should be.
Canada is the "kinder, gentler" America. While we produce, you guys behave yourselves very nicely. Just remember, if it were not for the U.S.A. the official language of Canada would be German.
ruveyn
The Nazis couldn't make it across the Channel, let alone the Atlantic, and that was down to us. That stuff what happened before December '41, which I guess doesn't figure heavily in American history textbooks. Unless you're invoking alien space bats to help out with Sealion?
And while I'm on, neither the Americans nor the Empire won the war. The Russians won.
(edit) Ha, that's parochial of me. Lemme rephrase: America defeated Japan in the Pacific (an utterly foregone conclusion), Russia defeated Germany in Europe (not a foregone conclusion) and the Empire defeated... um... Italy.
(and a second edit - properly I should say Empire and Commonwealth)
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24 Mar 2010, 6:02 pm
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24 Mar 2010, 6:17 pm
24 Mar 2010, 7:10 pm
Ambivalence wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
What a country, indeed.
Try as I might, I fail to see how this contributes to the peace, order and good government of a modern country. But then again, as peace, order and good government has always been the Canadian way, rather than the American way, perhaps that is as it should be.
Try as I might, I fail to see how this contributes to the peace, order and good government of a modern country. But then again, as peace, order and good government has always been the Canadian way, rather than the American way, perhaps that is as it should be.
Canada is the "kinder, gentler" America. While we produce, you guys behave yourselves very nicely. Just remember, if it were not for the U.S.A. the official language of Canada would be German.
ruveyn
The Nazis couldn't make it across the Channel, let alone the Atlantic, and that was down to us. That stuff what happened before December '41, which I guess doesn't figure heavily in American history textbooks. Unless you're invoking alien space bats to help out with Sealion?
And while I'm on, neither the Americans nor the Empire won the war. The Russians won.
(edit) Ha, that's parochial of me. Lemme rephrase: America defeated Japan in the Pacific (an utterly foregone conclusion), Russia defeated Germany in Europe (not a foregone conclusion) and the Empire defeated... um... Italy.
(and a second edit - properly I should say Empire and Commonwealth)
Eighth Army belonged to who then? Fourteenth army was what, Chinese now? Graf Spee was run to ground by the Peruvian navy? The Fleet Air Arm which sank the Bismarck were yankee planes now? 21st army were all from Belgium? Lets not corrupt history any more than ot already is eh? Fair play to the people who did the work.
@topic: so they allow firearms in Starbucks now? Can we expect a marked increase in the quality of the coffee?
24 Mar 2010, 7:19 pm
24 Mar 2010, 8:06 pm
visagrunt wrote:
What a country, indeed.
Try as I might, I fail to see how this contributes to the peace, order and good government of a modern country. But then again, as peace, order and good government has always been the Canadian way, rather than the American way, perhaps that is as it should be.
Try as I might, I fail to see how this contributes to the peace, order and good government of a modern country. But then again, as peace, order and good government has always been the Canadian way, rather than the American way, perhaps that is as it should be.
Would you go into a Starbucks to try and pull off and armed robbery knowing there were armed patrons in there?
That's what contributes to the peace and order and it's done without the help of your beloved government.
It's pretty simple when you look at it in practical terms.
24 Mar 2010, 8:57 pm
I just had a rotten day and I'd like some free coffee NOW!! ! 
BAM BAM BAM BAM.....
Ah nothing like a hot cup of free java to soothe the fatigue and stress away. 
24 Mar 2010, 9:28 pm
24 Mar 2010, 9:51 pm
24 Mar 2010, 11:03 pm
Coffee doesn't make me jittery or hyper.
I'm still tired by the time I drink it hoping it'll give me a boost someday..so far no luck... 
25 Mar 2010, 1:31 am
25 Mar 2010, 11:21 am
25 Mar 2010, 11:26 am
Raptor wrote:
Would you go into a Starbucks to try and pull off and armed robbery knowing there were armed patrons in there?
That's what contributes to the peace and order and it's done without the help of your beloved government.
It's pretty simple when you look at it in practical terms.
If I was intending to pull off an armed robbery, I certainly wouldn't target a Starbucks. Talk about a minimal return on investment.
And, if I knew that there were armed patrons in the place that I was intending to rob, I would go in with the intention of neutralizing them as soon as possible. Upgrading bystanders from obstacles to threats simply elevates the tactical scenario putting all bystanders at greater risk, not just the ones who might potentially be threats.
Not so simple any more, huh?
25 Mar 2010, 11:30 am
Dox47 wrote:
John Lott actually did a study recently comparing states that allow guns in bars and those that don't; somewhat surprisingly there is no increase in gun crime with the former. I'd say if you can trust people to drink alcohol while armed, coffee shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Take a moment to consider the source. I hope that this study wasn't the subject of peer reviews by "Mary Rosh," or data lost in a hard drive crash
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25 Mar 2010, 12:59 pm
visagrunt wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Would you go into a Starbucks to try and pull off and armed robbery knowing there were armed patrons in there?
That's what contributes to the peace and order and it's done without the help of your beloved government.
It's pretty simple when you look at it in practical terms.
If I was intending to pull off an armed robbery, I certainly wouldn't target a Starbucks. Talk about a minimal return on investment.
And, if I knew that there were armed patrons in the place that I was intending to rob, I would go in with the intention of neutralizing them as soon as possible. Upgrading bystanders from obstacles to threats simply elevates the tactical scenario putting all bystanders at greater risk, not just the ones who might potentially be threats.
Not so simple any more, huh?
Armed robbery is a threat to murder; that threat is much more likely to need carrying out if the people you're attempting to rob are also armed. I suspect most criminals would rather just do the threatening (I mean, that's the point, they want the cash, right?) than the actual murdering bit (with all the attendant life and/or death sentences). So armed targets would be a dissuasion in that sense.
25 Mar 2010, 4:20 pm
