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01 Apr 2010, 3:18 am

I know this is old, but they tried protesting a funeral in Canada, but backed off after Canadians got angry....
To WBC----Dont mess with Canada.

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Last Updated: Friday, August 8, 2008 | 2:57 PM CT Comments969Recommend852.
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Members of a fundamentalist American church group planning to stage a protest at the funeral for a Winnipeg man brutally killed on a Greyhound bus have managed to enter Canada, a spokeswoman told CBC News on Friday.

Canadian border guards are under orders to prevent members of the Westboro Baptist Church, a controversial Kansas-based sect, from entering the country.

The group intends to picket the funeral of 22-year-old Tim McLean to tell Canadians his slaying on July 30 was God's response to Canadian policies enabling abortion, homosexuality and divorce and remarriage.

Members of the Westboro Baptist Church wave protest signs outside funeral services for a soldier in Iowa in 2006. (Charlie Neibergall/Associated Press)Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day's office sent an alert to border patrol to "look out" for people with signs and pamphlets consistent with the messages that the church promotes and to keep them out of the country.

Shirley Phelps-Roper, daughter of church founder Fred Phelps, said a group of church members was turned away from a border crossing at Niagara Falls, but a small group did manage to get into Manitoba overnight.

"They were looking for picket signs and they were looking for leaflets. Well, we don't do leaflets, and the picket signs, you know, Fed Ex ships them overnight," she said.

However, Phelps-Roper said the reaction the group has raised from some police and public officials has her questioning whether the planned protest will go ahead.

"The question to my mind [is] whether or not we ought to get them the heck out of that country, because that's some crazy stuff when you've got your officials talking like they are in a back-alley brawl and not government officials who took an oath to obey the law and so forth."

Phelps-Roper said she would advise church members not to go ahead with the protest if there is a concern they might be arrested or harmed.

Counter-protest planned
A counter-protest against the church's picket plans was launched on the social networking site Facebook on Thursday.

More than 700 people have since joined the group; postings indicate they plan to form a "human wall" around the family to shield them from the church protest, if it takes place.

Winnipeg NDP MP Pat Martin said the group should be "sent packing," and should not try to show up in Winnipeg "for their own safety."

"We're not going to allow these people to compound the tragedy of the McLean family loss, and Canadians simply won't tolerate these lunatics disrupting what should be a respectful service," he told CBC News on Friday.

"Your freedom to swing your arm in the air ends when it touches the end of my nose," he added. "What these people were going to do was hurtful, harmful and disruptive to the peace, order and good government that we guarantee to our citizens, so they have no place in this country."

Family in shock, requests privacy
Meanwhile, Tim McLean's mother released a short public statement Friday morning, saying the family is in "complete shock at the horrifying loss of our loved one."

Carol deDelley expressed frustration that some media outlets have not identified McLean's family members properly; the statement identifies Tim's parents and step-parents and the six siblings in his blended families.

DeDelley asked for privacy during the family's time of mourning.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story ... z0jpn9jWZa


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01 Apr 2010, 5:52 am

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I hope he gets the support he needs. Funerals should be honored, not picketed.


Bill O'Riley is going to pay the entire amount he owes.

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01 Apr 2010, 9:32 am

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just put on a ski mask and beat the piss out of these people. its not difficult


For having a contrary opinion? Be careful. Some day your opinion may be considered contrary.

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01 Apr 2010, 6:48 pm

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bully_on_speed wrote:
just put on a ski mask and beat the piss out of these people. its not difficult


For having a contrary opinion? Be careful. Some day your opinion may be considered contrary.

ruveyn


Are you on drugs?

Doing what those buttholes do is a helluva lot more than just exercising a contrary opinion!
Their conduct is very deserving of head smashings. If they were going to exercise their opinions at the funeral of a fallen serviceman around here and I knew there was going to be a head smashing team assembled, I'd take a day off to volunteer for it.
It would be one thing I could look back on for the rest of my life and see it as having done something noble.



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01 Apr 2010, 7:03 pm

Tory_canuck wrote:
I know this is old, but they tried protesting a funeral in Canada, but backed off after Canadians got angry....
To WBC----Dont mess with Canada.

greyhound bus beheading victim funeral

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Church members enter Canada, aiming to picket bus victim's funeral
Last Updated: Friday, August 8, 2008 | 2:57 PM CT Comments969Recommend852.
CBC News
Members of a fundamentalist American church group planning to stage a protest at the funeral for a Winnipeg man brutally killed on a Greyhound bus have managed to enter Canada, a spokeswoman told CBC News on Friday.

Canadian border guards are under orders to prevent members of the Westboro Baptist Church, a controversial Kansas-based sect, from entering the country.

The group intends to picket the funeral of 22-year-old Tim McLean to tell Canadians his slaying on July 30 was God's response to Canadian policies enabling abortion, homosexuality and divorce and remarriage.

Members of the Westboro Baptist Church wave protest signs outside funeral services for a soldier in Iowa in 2006. (Charlie Neibergall/Associated Press)Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day's office sent an alert to border patrol to "look out" for people with signs and pamphlets consistent with the messages that the church promotes and to keep them out of the country.

Shirley Phelps-Roper, daughter of church founder Fred Phelps, said a group of church members was turned away from a border crossing at Niagara Falls, but a small group did manage to get into Manitoba overnight.

"They were looking for picket signs and they were looking for leaflets. Well, we don't do leaflets, and the picket signs, you know, Fed Ex ships them overnight," she said.

However, Phelps-Roper said the reaction the group has raised from some police and public officials has her questioning whether the planned protest will go ahead.

"The question to my mind [is] whether or not we ought to get them the heck out of that country, because that's some crazy stuff when you've got your officials talking like they are in a back-alley brawl and not government officials who took an oath to obey the law and so forth."

Phelps-Roper said she would advise church members not to go ahead with the protest if there is a concern they might be arrested or harmed.

Counter-protest planned
A counter-protest against the church's picket plans was launched on the social networking site Facebook on Thursday.

More than 700 people have since joined the group; postings indicate they plan to form a "human wall" around the family to shield them from the church protest, if it takes place.

Winnipeg NDP MP Pat Martin said the group should be "sent packing," and should not try to show up in Winnipeg "for their own safety."

"We're not going to allow these people to compound the tragedy of the McLean family loss, and Canadians simply won't tolerate these lunatics disrupting what should be a respectful service," he told CBC News on Friday.

"Your freedom to swing your arm in the air ends when it touches the end of my nose," he added. "What these people were going to do was hurtful, harmful and disruptive to the peace, order and good government that we guarantee to our citizens, so they have no place in this country."

Family in shock, requests privacy
Meanwhile, Tim McLean's mother released a short public statement Friday morning, saying the family is in "complete shock at the horrifying loss of our loved one."

Carol deDelley expressed frustration that some media outlets have not identified McLean's family members properly; the statement identifies Tim's parents and step-parents and the six siblings in his blended families.

DeDelley asked for privacy during the family's time of mourning.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story ... z0jpn9jWZa


The WBC had been banned from going to several countries, I think Canada's one of them which is probably why they ordered to tighten borders. Either the wbc sent the hate letters to the governments which provoked them being banned or they sent them as a response to being banned.



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01 Apr 2010, 7:44 pm

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The Patriot Guard Riders is a diverse amalgamation of riders from across the nation. We have one thing in common besides motorcycles. We have an unwavering respect for those who risk their very lives for America’s freedom and security. If you share this respect, please join us.

We don’t care what you ride or if you ride, what your political views are, or whether you’re a hawk or a dove. It is not a requirement that you be a veteran. It doesn't matter where you’re from or what your income is; you don’t even have to ride. The only prerequisite is Respect.

Our main mission is to attend the funeral services of fallen American heroes as invited guests of the family. Each mission we undertake has two basic objectives:

1. Show our sincere respect for our fallen heroes, their families, and their communities.
2. Shield the mourning family and their friends from interruptions created by any protestor or group of protestors.

We accomplish the latter through strictly legal and non-violent means.

To those of you who are currently serving and fighting for the freedoms of others, at home and abroad, please know that we are backing you. We honor and support you with every mission we carry out, and we are praying for a safe return home for all. Welcome to the Patriot Guard Riders Freedom Isn't Free But Membership Is

This organization was specifically started to counter these whacko's in Westboro Baptist Church.


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03 Apr 2010, 8:31 am

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Are you on drugs?


Watch your mouth and your keyboard. I don't do drugs.

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Doing what those buttholes do is a helluva lot more than just exercising a contrary opinion!
Their conduct is very deserving of head smashings. If they were going to exercise their opinions at the funeral of a fallen serviceman around here and I knew there was going to be a head smashing team assembled, I'd take a day off to volunteer for it.
It would be one thing I could look back on for the rest of my life and see it as having done something noble.


"crashing" a private funeral is trespass and there are legal processes for handling such affronts.

WBC are a bunch of a**holes but if they keep their distance they are completely within the law. Now how shall we be governed? By Law or by Passion? The right of Free Speech is sufficiently precious to put up with insults to guard it. Offensive speech is what needs to be protected. Pleasing speech needs no protection. And be cautious: your speech may someday offend someone with a short temper.

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03 Apr 2010, 9:50 am

If I actually did what I want to do to those a******s... I would definately go to hell... :evil:

Good for the bikers though. That's probably a better way to deal with it!


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03 Apr 2010, 12:16 pm

I don't understand. Why does he owe the WBC money?


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03 Apr 2010, 1:17 pm

If you sue someone and your suit is unsuccessful, normally you are required to reimburse the other party for a portion of his expenses (referred to as, "costs.")

There are exceptions--and courts have a wide discretion about when, and in what quantum to order costs.


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07 Apr 2010, 12:07 pm

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Doing what those buttholes do is a helluva lot more than just exercising a contrary opinion!
Their conduct is very deserving of head smashings. If they were going to exercise their opinions at the funeral of a fallen serviceman around here and I knew there was going to be a head smashing team assembled, I'd take a day off to volunteer for it.
It would be one thing I could look back on for the rest of my life and see it as having done something noble.


Cool. Let's just toss the entire US Constitution and our entire body of civil law into the trash. Hey, anybody you don't like? Forget the law. Just give 'em a "head smashing". Or maybe burn crosses on their lawns, eh? Very noble, indeed.

Now, are these WBC people "buttholes", as you say? Yep they are.

In fact, are they scum? Yep they are.

Does this whole situation with the funerals make any decent person scream in protest? Yep it does.

But let's keep our perspective here. We are a nation built with a framework of law. We have a Constitution, the wisdom of which has stood the test of time and is something we should be enormously proud of. The law is our bedrock. You don't throw that away and change who we are for the likes of these WBC jokers. And you simply don't go around "head smashing" when you disagree with someone.

Don't like the laws? Vote for politicians who will change 'em! We are not a nation of hotheaded, white-hooded vigilantes. We are a nation of reasoned men and women who stay within the law until it becomes apparent the law is just wrong, at which time we change it.

We don't go around "head smashing".



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07 Apr 2010, 10:23 pm

some folk are bound to knock the bottom out of hell.



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don't go around "head smashing"


Well in this case I guess I’m not part of your “we” category and neither are a lot of others.

What these WBC turds are doing is technically legal because it falls into the seams (for lack of a better term) of the legal system in the form of freedom of speech and expression.

It’s not legally a criminal act since it’s protected by the 1st Amendment.
In civil law a lawsuit it can very easily backfire as it did in this case with Albert Snyder.

The only way left to strangle it is with little bit of vigilante justice.

Yes, this falls within in the darker regions of modern civilization but sometimes someone’s gotta to the publicly scorned but secretly applauded dirty work.

I agree that it's a $hit sandwich no matter how you slice it but in this case you can blame the WBC for making the sandwich.



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don't go around "head smashing"


Well in this case I guess I’m not part of your “we” category and neither are a lot of others.


You don't have a choice. If you live in this country, then yes you are part of "we".

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The only way left to strangle it is with little bit of vigilante justice.


Then you'll go to jail and they won't. And they'll get even more publicity for their stupid demonstrations. That's real smart.

"Vigilante justice" is an oxymoron. You need to grow up and realize that.

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Yes, this falls within in the darker regions of modern civilization but sometimes someone’s gotta to the publicly scorned but secretly applauded dirty work.


Tell me something, dude. Are you in the Klan, too?



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Tell me something, dude. Are you in the Klan, too?


No, but more than one liberal colleague of mine have accused me of having neo-nazi tendencies.
Does that count?



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Members of the hate cult...


Is what it should have said, not "Members of the Fundamentalist church.."

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Among the teachings of the church, which was founded in 1955 by pastor Fred Phelps, is the belief that God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality" through events such as soldiers' deaths.


Maybe he "founded" their bible to? :shrug:

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Their conduct is very deserving of head smashings.


Fred, indeed diserves a nice, 90 mile per hour slamm into a concrete brick wall. I agree.