Shocking case of child sexual abuse in Oregon

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Call me naive but a mandatory life sentence without a possibility of parole sounds a lot more painful than dying really quickly and not having to suffer for anything.

Even if it was a painful death, suffering for ~60 years is more of a punishment than suffering for 1 minute.

My only issue with life w/o parole is the risk that they can ALWAYS try to appeal... and I don't trust people to not be stupid enough to release them...
I think w/ life w/o parole they could 1st appeal the w/o parole part than if that worked appeal to get parole by a certain date or time period they were already in prison.
Although I will give you my views may have been skewed b/c I have a mother who believes whatever manner you killed someone should be how you die (you burn someone, you should burn, etc.)... which could be expanded to other crimes as well. (Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth)

I live in Spokane Valley, which is neighboring Spokane, and I remember Robert Yates very well. He was in many ways the last person you'd expect to pick up and murder prostitutes; he was a family man, and a (retired?) air force pilot. While it's true, he was born and raised in the Pacific Northwest, I believe his murderous exploits had more to do with his genetics than with where he lived. He had either a grandmother or great grandmother who had murdered her husband with an axe in the deep south, according to his family.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

When it comes to serial killers at least, it's often the last people you'd expect.


Hence a big part of the reason they're able to be serial killers.


While they're likely not serial killers per se, the two individuals I mentioned in my OP SEEMED about as benign and ordinary as Americans get.


And people wonder why I never trust ANYBODY 100%.

this story is sad, and sader cause it's not uncommon.

I don't even know what to say to this... It is just beyond shocking...

Also this is the husbands about me on Myspace where he refers to them both as freaks...

About me:
Just when you think people are freaks…. You meet one that is just as much of a freak as you.. Then you call that person your best friend… Then your partner. Now I have the person in my life that I have searched for all my life. She loves me for who I am. She is willing to take the journey with me… live and grow and explore the wonders of life. She knows I’m not perfect but that I aspire for better me. Its amazing with the right person in your life how much better we become… more whole.. I won the lottery.. No money can ever give me what I have. A piece of advise from an old man… If you seek fortune or wealth you will grow old with people who like you for all the wrong reasons. When you are poor they love you for you… Now you have the person in your life… get rich together. I hope everyone who reads this finds that person who will be there not matte what… I know I have.

Read more: http://www.myspace.com/michaelmarceau#ixzz0u5qTPLPA

Cool she links to this thread in her blog http://alialorae.wordpress.com/2010/12/ ... -take-two/

I like her YouTube music video with John Tartaglia from Avenue Q
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZUhLI_IvIU[/youtube]

I just looked at the Alia Lorae entry on Evil Unveiled, and one thing really gave me the face.

Seriously?

And then there is this:



Said artwork isn't even all that disturbing. I've seen worse on prime time tv. (okay, maybe I'm exaggerating, but you get the point right? These folks should take a trip over to 4chan or watch Hostel.)

The video and the song are OK.....but the lyrics are really stupid Especially the ones in the chorus.

"Join the team"???

WTF?


I'll take Siousxie and the Banshees or Nina Hagen any day over this woman who is really pretty yawn-worthy and uninspiring overall

Psycho's Pathology topic

Psychopaths are born that way, not made, and it is impossible to rehabilitate them.

They are only discovered once caught. I have met at least two in my life and they are so banal ( I was never abused by them as I do not trust anyone enough to allow them in my life, but in retrospect after their discovery it seemed really creepy.)

Child molestors are ALWAYS normal people. They would not be able to do what they do without being normal. The only reason they get victims is because people trust them. Over 90% of children are abused by someone they know and the closer the person is to them, the more likely they are to abused. It is also the number one reason why it is able to continue to go on for years on end. The kids may make some form of disclosure, but they are vague, say they do not like so and so, don't want to go there, etc, etc and they are told off and punished for it.

We as a society WANT to believe that we can know who these people are and that we can protect our children from them. The fact is stranger danger is so useless it is beyond a joke. That does not mean children should be weary of strangers, but that we also need to teach them more than that, that they have a right to own their own bodies, that they do not have to kiss adults goodbye if they do not want to, that they have a right to decide if and when they want to be hugged, etc.

I was molested by both of my parents. I was educated at an extremely elite private school and had parents on various boards and committees of managment. My father was on the board of management of a children's child abuse charity!! ! They both worked in very elite jobs, were extremely well respected, we went to church, etc, etc. Of course my parents could never have abused me they were the most upstanding citizens possible!! ! And since I was autistic then it was excusabe anyway as anyone having to raise a child like that is going to crack!! ! The excuses are endless, but the fact is people do evil things, there are evil people on this planet and nothing excuses molesting a child. I know that such behaviour is wrong, we all do, victims know the pain it caused them, and hence not to do it again. Sure some things might push people on the verge of such behaviour over the edge, but nothing causes someone to molest children, kill people, etc. ANd to lablel as them as mentally ill in the same way as you label their victims, and hence to put them in the same treatment facilities and programs is simply trying to find an excuse for what they have done.

As for the death penality, research shows that the amount of money involved in the process of putting someone to death, appeals, paying the executors, etc, etc is actually more costly than keeping someone in prison for 60 years. The fact that most inmates of life or very long sentences also attempt suicide is also a reason for me not to put them to death. As for the eye for an eye, two wrongs do not make a right.

to BJCIRCELEB......i'm sorry for what happened to you. i understand how you feel. my grandmother was schizophrenic and took care of me because my father hated me and my mother was not able to care for herself, much less me.

my grandmother did all sorts of things to me. we were poor white trash living in a housing project so no one cared about the things that went on. even though i've never really gotten over it, it's hard to blame my grandmother due to her not really being in control of what happened. she ended up dying in a hospital/prison after being given incredibly strong e.c.t. best thing probably.

hang in there.

Jesus. I was in a good mood until I read that. (I know these articles are almost a year old, but still ...)

Oh, and here's a quote I found from a connected article:

?!?!?

These people are sadists.

I think sadism is a common factor in the abuse of children. these people, wether of otherwise sound mind or not, find pleasure in harming other people, especially vulnerable or defenceless people. Many child sexual molesters seem to fall under this.

Another factor can be resentment or indignance from a parent towards a child, especially if there is a lack of attachment to the child. There was a recent case in my country of a daughter physically abused by her parents, including a toenail torn out and salty water poured into the wound while being told she "deserved" this. The mother and father was involved (the mother denys she did anything wrong), and the key factor seems to be resentment at having to care for a daughter that was unplanned and unwanted. I mean, they could have arranged adoption for the child. But instead they keep a child they don't want or love and proceed to use this as an excuse to abuse and demean her.

I am against the death penalty because, here in Georgia, it seems to be a way to kill the odd, unlucky, poor black who may or may not have actually commited a crime. For example, the witnesses against Troy Davis keep contradicting themselves and recanting their testimony, but the state still plans to kill what looks increasingly like an innocent man. I do not trust my fellow citizens with the death penalty because it allows no margin for error. Cases like this do make me wish there was some fair, reasonable way to live in a society without a death penalty except in exceptional cases like this.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/153/402/169/

http://www.troyanthonydavis.org/call-to-action.html

That is absolutely revolting.