"Don't Ask Don't Tell" Ruled Unconstitutional

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Chevand
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10 Sep 2010, 11:30 pm

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It will give "guarding the rear" a whole new meaning. :lol:

Do they get separate shower facilities?

When out on patrol, does their lieutenant get to always put them on point and flank positions?

Can a captain put all the gays in the first Humvee traveling in a convoy down a road in the Anbar province, Afghanistan?


during ww2/korea, they drafted gays, but they had separate units all to themselves. the powers-that-be back then wisely decided that overall manpower trumped all other concerns. my late father told me stories about how it all worked out.

Just because it all worked out doesn't mean they can't be put to better use checking for snipers, landmines, and bombs.


I usually wouldn't get involved in this sort of debate, but I think this warrants a response. I think your disrespect is completely reprehensible, especially when talking about men and women in uniform.

First of all, you do realize there are already gays serving in the US military now, don't you? "Don't ask, don't tell" doesn't keep them from serving, it just keeps them from serving openly-- which, by the way, completely conflicts with the old military honor code of not lying, cheating or stealing, or tolerating anyone who does. What the policy does is force gay soldiers to lie in order to serve their country. That's not fair, and anyone who's willing to defend our liberties and national security at great personal risk (despite whatever their orientation might be) deserves much better than that. You may think what you've said is a joke, but it's extremely offensive and insulting to the gay men and women who serve in the military willingly, many of whom have served commendably for years, and who just want to be able to be open and honest about who they really are. We owe them that much, we really do.

Secondly, the policy itself is incredibly counterproductive so long as we still have boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Pulling perfectly capable soldiers and translators out of combat just because they're exposed as gay does nothing but weaken our fighting force. In addition, forcing servicemen and women to be dishonest with each other under penalty of discharge does nothing but hurt morale and unit cohesion. DADT is a flawed, puritanical policy, and in the long run, it imperils our soldiers.



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10 Sep 2010, 11:38 pm

to OSCURIA.....yes, i bet you're laughing. people laughed at me when i was a child. i was poor white trash and adults couldn't be bothered with the fact i was being abused, mentally and physically.

when i returned from war, people laughed at me because i was part of the evil war machine that killed people.

when my life was destroyed by a drunk driver, no one cared. no one helped. laughing to themselves, maybe.

when recently i was very ill and collapsed on a sidewalk, no one would help me or even call 911, probably too busy laughing.

please, laugh hard. you are probably so elite...probably were loved as a kid...mom and dad helped you get to school, humans probably think you are so hip...being so superior and all. are you scarred from being burned deliberately and by accident, so ugly that people laugh at you. no, of course not. you are too magnificent.

but of course, i am the fool. part of going to war for your country is to defend freedom of speech. but you have transcended that, your wonderfulness.

things written here about me are true. things written about you are the pinnacle of sarcastic wit i can conjure. just so you'll know....your brilliance.



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10 Sep 2010, 11:48 pm

danandlouie wrote:
to OSCURIA.....yes, i bet you're laughing. people laughed at me when i was a child. i was poor white trash and adults couldn't be bothered with the fact i was being abused, mentally and physically.

when i returned from war, people laughed at me because i was part of the evil war machine that killed people.

when my life was destroyed by a drunk driver, no one cared. no one helped. laughing to themselves, maybe.

when recently i was very ill and collapsed on a sidewalk, no one would help me or even call 911, probably too busy laughing.

please, laugh hard. you are probably so elite...probably were loved as a kid...mom and dad helped you get to school, humans probably think you are so hip...being so superior and all. are you scarred from being burned deliberately and by accident, so ugly that people laugh at you. no, of course not. you are too magnificent.

but of course, i am the fool. part of going to war for your country is to defend freedom of speech. but you have transcended that, your wonderfulness.

things written here about me are true. things written about you are the pinnacle of sarcastic wit i can conjure. just so you'll know....your brilliance.


still laughing. should i or you feel honored?


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11 Sep 2010, 2:10 am

i will admit that often i wonder why so many gay folk are trying so hard to get in to the military in the first place, in that there are so many [frankly] unevolved servicemembers who don't merely fear gays but hate them. why would anybody wish to associate with people who hate them? why stick around a place where one is not wanted? there are many other ways in which gay folk can serve their country, and most of these ways do not involve violence or forced association with morally atavistic homophobes.
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13 Sep 2010, 9:32 am

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to descartes....actually i meant you knew to expect the homophobes to come out. i should have stayed out of this.


There are a lot of homophobes on Yahoo News. It's scary. 8O


Yahoo News has been flooded with a lot of right wing uber conservatives for quite some time now.


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15 Sep 2010, 2:11 pm

auntblabby wrote:
i will admit that often i wonder why so many gay folk are trying so hard to get in to the military in the first place, in that there are so many [frankly] unevolved servicemembers who don't merely fear gays but hate them. why would anybody wish to associate with people who hate them? why stick around a place where one is not wanted? there are many other ways in which gay folk can serve their country, and most of these ways do not involve violence or forced association with morally atavistic homophobes.
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The experience of my gay and lesbian friends in the military (both Canada and the US) is that prevailing opinion among most service members is, "who cares?" Provided that fellow service members are doing their job, most people don't care about their sexuality.


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17 Sep 2010, 3:26 am

visagrunt wrote:
The experience of my gay and lesbian friends in the military (both Canada and the US) is that prevailing opinion among most service members is, "who cares?" Provided that fellow service members are doing their job, most people don't care about their sexuality.


i sure wish it was like that when i was in.



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17 Sep 2010, 12:40 pm

Did anyone else notice that it was the Log Cabin Republicans, a group for gay Republicans, that filed the suit that knocked down DADT? Sort of interesting how that part of the story isn't getting much attention.


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17 Sep 2010, 2:21 pm

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hey philosophy guy, you knew to expect this, right? maybe i'm the worst of all, i pretty much dislike all humans and truly would like to see this potentially wonderful planet wiped clean of all 'people'.

No you're better, as you don't discriminate. Hating all humanitie is understandable too; such a bunch of idiots killing each others.


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17 Sep 2010, 7:19 pm

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Did anyone else notice that it was the Log Cabin Republicans, a group for gay Republicans, that filed the suit that knocked down DADT? Sort of interesting how that part of the story isn't getting much attention.


that's because the log cabin repubs make everybody equally uncomfortable but for different reasons.