Man not sent to jail due to having AS.

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19 Jun 2006, 12:39 pm

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hat's a load of bull. If the man didn't know what he did was wrong then he wouldn't have lied to the police about being inside his house all morning.

Or said that the girl looked scared and frightened :? Funny his whole defence relies on a social disability that prevents him not being able to tell the difference between right and wrong. Fear in her face obviously would give him a heads up that it was indeed wrong. If his autism was that severe to warrent it being used in defence if wouldn't have even occured to him to try see things from her point of view. So why would he comment on it? Wouldn't he have said he didn't know if he truly had autism? Doesn't add up at all.. neither does the 'protection' angle. He wouldn't get brutalised in prison for being autisic, he'd get beaten for being a pedo. Why should he get more special treatment than other pervs? As far as I know they get put into protective custody anyway. Even this short news brief is full of inconsistancies.

Some may feel this was the 'right' verdict.. but all it's done provide future pedos a get out of jail free card. :x



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19 Jun 2006, 3:00 pm

The idea that someone who is either mentally or cognitively impaired would be oblivious to someone questioning their actions is incorrect. Unless they have had no contact with other humans than just about anyone would know to be afraid if someone was questioning them - and I'm sure much of that could depend on how they questioned him. If they asked if he did something to a little girl than it really would't be surprising for someone with CI or MI problems to be afraid and lie - because most likely they have had enough negative encounters with people. Not only besides the fact that most of society encourages lying to get out of trouble and punishes kids for telling the truth. I don't agree with what this guy did - but the fact that he lied does not really mean anything except that he learned that response.

And - if this guy is so low functioning that he has no concept of proper social behaviors - than who was not watching him and who introduced him to this kind of stuff.



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19 Jun 2006, 4:47 pm

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That's a load of bull. If the man didn't know what he did was wrong then he wouldn't have lied to the police about being inside his house all morning.


Actually, without any real knowledge of why the man did what he did himself, there is no way to know what his thoughts were. There are instances where people know what they did were wrong and had serious trouble controlling it. I read in this one book on asperger's about a kid who got so upset that he began yanking at a mailbox, and at the same time, he made references to how he didn't want to do what he was doing. That kid knew what he was doing, but clearly didn't know how to control it. Yet, if he was an adult and did that, he could have been placed in custody.

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Those were very conscious decisions that he made so yes I do believe that he needs to go to prison. He's no longer just looking at kiddie porn on the internet, but he's starting to approach children. I'm not going to make excuses for him because he has Asperger's. He's dangerous and he's escalating.


I think this man's exhibitionist problems are more involved than just an impulse at looking at kiddie porn on the Internet. Clearly, he's got a problem and should be placed in an institutionalized setting. However, the prison system is not meant as any form of an institutionalized setting. That's what halfway houses and the such are for. These individuals should not be around children.

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22 Jun 2006, 6:39 pm

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Think about what would happen if that aspie man actually went to jail! He'd be completely brutalized on a daily basis. He'd be stabbed with rusty metal objects, beaten for no reason, kicked in the stomach, anally raped, have his teeth knocked out, burned with cigarettes, have his food and water taken away by his cellmates, hit on the head, and... fill in the rest with your imagination.

My question to you is this: do you think he deserves ALL THIS for doing something he didn't fully realize was hurtful to the girl and socially unacceptable? I fully agree with the judge on this one, although something harsher, like house arrest for six months would have been fair too.


people in Prisons have are not friendly to anyone who hmarms children .most of the prisoners would do that for being an accused pedophile, whether or not he is an aspie, if your going to keep someone out of jail you would have to consider everyone.

I agree he may not have been aware it was unacceptable, but the article makes it seem like it was aspergers that made him do this. it says he has other psych. problems but it does not say what they are.
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>Having aspergers is like a real life 'get out of jail free' card
>having aspergers makes people pedophiles



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22 Jun 2006, 6:58 pm

Tell you one thing, if he did that here in Fla, he would be looking at between 25 years to life in the state pen. Florida does not tolerate people who does that to children, no matter what.



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22 Jun 2006, 7:45 pm

Cool being diagnosed with aspergers is a free ticket to kiddie fiddling

Theres hope for Garry Glitter yet



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23 Jun 2006, 11:23 am

Laz wrote:
Cool being diagnosed with aspergers is a free ticket to kiddie fiddling

Theres hope for Garry Glitter yet


You might want to get some new material. The only problem with that was it wasn't funny, it was just dumb.



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23 Jun 2006, 12:25 pm

I would like to know what happened with the reporter and aspies.



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24 Jun 2006, 10:30 am

I hope that people don't begin to put a lable on us as a whole, like how some of the worst things some aspies have done were all over TV and what not (like with the William Freud incident, and even some of Dr. Phil but he wasn't talking about extreme violence or sick perverted things some aspies have done). I also don't think that someone should get away with that just because of Asperger's. I mean, there would be something mentally wrong with anybody if they actually wanted to do that to someone as young as nine years old! If they were to look into the brains of or try diagnosing some more sexual assaulters or violaters, you would find a whole lot more people being let go for committing that sort of crime.


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25 Jun 2006, 12:55 pm

Have I got this straight...nine kiddie porn images turned this guy into a paedophile, but 12 months of being forcibly sodomised would do him the world of good? I'm not a bleeding heart or do-gooder but this guy needs to do his time in the community, among people who know what he's done, so that he learns the community's attitude to his actions. Not the attitude of a murderer who somehow thinks he has some moral high ground over someone caught w*king in public.

I feel strongly for the poor girl and I hope that she gets whatever help she needs to deal with this incident. But at the same time, I'd hate to see the offender come out of the prison system infinitely more screwed up in the head in 12 months time. What is he going to do to the next 8 year old girl who's in the wrong place at the wrong time?

This is NOT saying that us poor Aspies should never be sent to jail. If we are talking about murder, rape or actual pederasty, about going away for 20 years to life, then I don't care what you've got. You'll be coming out of there dead, old, crippled or just broken.



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18 Jul 2006, 8:13 pm

I don't give a damn if he has this disability or not, he should be locked up and sterilized. I have absolutely no sympathy at all for anyone who engages in that kind of conduct with children.

And sure, the article mentions "Aspergers", but it also mentions "diverse psychological issues". My money is on Psychopathy and Pedophilia for the diverse.



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31 Jul 2006, 7:17 am

Aspie1 wrote:
Think about what would happen if that aspie man actually went to jail! He'd be completely brutalized on a daily basis. He'd be stabbed with rusty metal objects, beaten for no reason, kicked in the stomach, anally raped, have his teeth knocked out, burned with cigarettes, have his food and water taken away by his cellmates, hit on the head, and... fill in the rest with your imagination.

My question to you is this: do you think he deserves ALL THIS for doing something he didn't fully realize was hurtful to the girl and socially unacceptable? I fully agree with the judge on this one, although something harsher, like house arrest for six months would have been fair too.


I totally agree with Aspie1 I beleive that people with AS need help to deal with their issues and prison is not going to do that. Clearly he has done the wrong thing but putting him in prison will make him worse and possibly also make him a victim.



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01 Aug 2006, 4:44 pm

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Aspie1 wrote:
Think about what would happen if that aspie man actually went to jail! He'd be completely brutalized on a daily basis. He'd be stabbed with rusty metal objects, beaten for no reason, kicked in the stomach, anally raped, have his teeth knocked out, burned with cigarettes, have his food and water taken away by his cellmates, hit on the head, and... fill in the rest with your imagination.

My question to you is this: do you think he deserves ALL THIS for doing something he didn't fully realize was hurtful to the girl and socially unacceptable? I fully agree with the judge on this one, although something harsher, like house arrest for six months would have been fair too.


I totally agree with Aspie1 I beleive that people with AS need help to deal with their issues and prison is not going to do that. Clearly he has done the wrong thing but putting him in prison will make him worse and possibly also make him a victim.


Personally I could care less if the person was AS. If the guy knew what he was doing wrong then he should be locked up. We should NOT tolerate it under any circumstances.

We already had one judge who gave a man probation after raping two 10 year old girls because he was too short which IMO is downright dispicable.

I have no mercy for ANYONE who hurts a child like that in any circumstances.



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01 Aug 2006, 5:54 pm

Aww, wittle baby with sick mental deformity gets special treatment :(



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04 Sep 2006, 3:08 am

"the offences had seriously impacted the girl and her family."

WTF...the only reason she or anyone else would feel "impacted" or affected negatively in any way by these actions is that they have been brainnwashed since infancy that "this is a naughty place" and "don't touch yourself,or let anyone touch you". I'm not saying i condone his doing,but if she hadn't been told what he did was bad and that she had been abused,she probably would have just thought he was a little weird.

Extreme example:not pertaing to this story

Daughter:hi mom

Mother:hi dear,how was your day at school?

Daughter it was ok...though some guy did force me to have sex with him,no big deal

Mother:OMG! are you ok?

Daughter:umm yeah,I'm a little bit sore...but whatever

Mother:I'm calling the police,we'll catch that bastard

Daughter:no really it's ok,seriously why are you freaking out?

Mother:oh dear you in shock...you were horribly abused and it will affect you for life,My poor baby

Daughter:what? I was abused...like how do you mean?

Mother:you'll never be able to have a succesful relationship,this will haunt you forever

Daughter:hmmm...mabey your right,now that i think of it I do feel horrible

Both cry in eachother arms until police arrive


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04 Sep 2006, 3:11 am

and I want to reimphasize that I in no-way think what he or any other "sex-offender" did is good or acceptable im just saying that without outside mental and social inflluence that Rape,molestation or anything of the sort would have NO metal affects whatsoever


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