EU attempting to ban cars in European cities by 2050

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30 Mar 2011, 7:11 pm

Who on Earth runs Britain? This is why we must leave the EU. What individual countries' environment policies are is NO business of an unelected supranational body like the EU.



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31 Mar 2011, 12:15 am

Tequila wrote:
Who on Earth runs Britain? This is why we must leave the EU. What individual countries' environment policies are is NO business of an unelected supranational body like the EU.

What sucks is that the UK didn't leave you any means to rebel against it either. How much longer before the UK implements spork control laws?


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31 Mar 2011, 6:58 pm

The town of Zermatt, Switzerland, has banned all cars (except for electric-powered carts) for its entire existence.


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31 Mar 2011, 11:44 pm

If that article is true I'm moving to Europe. I have no problem biking everywhere and I'd love to breathe in the clean air. It's a step to a healthier planet. If no one has noticed, we're facing an obesity epidemic and theses cars are basically belching carcinogens. If there is high speed rail, then I don't even have to worry about the longer trips. That's pretty much a cyclist's utopia. Complain all you want, you can live in the states, but I'd rather leave for the sake of my own well being.


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31 Mar 2011, 11:48 pm

John_Browning wrote:
That sucks is that the UK didn't leave you any means to rebel against it either.


Not a lot to do really apart from vote for a withdrawalist party.



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31 Mar 2011, 11:53 pm

JeremyNJ1984 wrote:
We also need to take into account the fact the EU is not the same as the United States...yes it sounds dumb and obvious, but people don't really dwell on the realistic geographical differences between both units...A country such as the UK is compact, has roads not devised for motor traffic originally, and is not spread out, like the United States


Only in a relative sense - I doubt anyone would call somewhere like North Yorkshire, much of Cumbria, Northumberland or rural Scotland compact. Up in the more northerly parts of the UK there is a lot of wilderness and not many people living in it. It's very easy to stop in places where the nearest shop is seven miles drive away here and the nearest supermarket twenty or more - I've done it on holidays in the UK. So in those circumstances having a car is essential.

It wouldn't be so bad but train journeys cost the Earth here in the UK so many times it's actually easier driving, even with the very high cost of fuel duty here in Britain.

Public transport is fine for the cities but in rural areas generally not so.



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01 Apr 2011, 5:51 am

Tequila wrote:
Who on Earth runs Britain? This is why we must leave the EU. What individual countries' environment policies are is NO business of an unelected supranational body like the EU.


I agree in principle about the UK leaving the EU but for different reasons.

My largest concern though, is not related to environmental policy but is Codex Alimentarius. It has already been passed in most of Europe. The UK was an exception thanks to opposition. Essentially it will be banning a huge huge huge variety of health supplements, will reduce vitamin supplement levels to the RDA, which has been scientifically proven to be a fraction of the true value needed in many cases. Certain foods, like Ginger for example are going to become controlled foods for our safety for example. All this is happening in America as well to the best of my knowledge..... Essentially everyone health needs is being handed over to the big pharma companies who lobbied this policy into position in the first place.

Sorry for veering off in this thread but just wanted to add that I too hate that EU and UN policy should apply to myself.


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01 Apr 2011, 6:17 am

I used to think that the EU were a bit pants but not anymore. I've had a lot of dealings with them over the last few years, being a cross boarder migrant, and in every instance they have supported me and my rights over the beurocracy of whichever member state I'm in. I loves them :oops:



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01 Apr 2011, 11:00 am

Well, I'm from a country in Europe and I think this is a wonderful idea.



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01 Apr 2011, 11:06 am

Bleu wrote:
Well, I'm from a country in Europe and I think this is a wonderful idea.


I don't have a problem with it being done if it's done in a truly democratic fashion by people you can vote out and truly have an influence - a proper demos, if you like.

This isn't democracy though - it's top down autocracy and just makes people that bit more resentful and people's lives that bit less free.

Sod that.



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01 Apr 2011, 3:48 pm

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This isn't democracy though - it's top down autocracy and just makes people that bit more resentful and people's lives that bit less free.


Agreed One Million percent.

Since when did we vote for people like Blair to head the council and since when did we ask for a trade commissioner to govern policy? Total BS.


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05 Apr 2011, 10:47 pm

Brussels is a nice city I spent a weekend there ten years old.
Tho alot can be done about the city's CO2 emissions by cutting down on the political hot air.



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06 Apr 2011, 1:33 am

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Brussels is a nice city I spent a weekend there ten years old.
Tho alot can be done about the city's CO2 emissions by cutting down on the political hot air.

Even if you rely heavily on computers, bureaucracies still use up mountains of paper too!


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06 Apr 2011, 2:16 am

John_Browning wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
Brussels is a nice city I spent a weekend there ten years old.
Tho alot can be done about the city's CO2 emissions by cutting down on the political hot air.

Even if you rely heavily on computers, bureaucracies still use up mountains of paper too!


whats the CO2 emissions from chalk and slate?
If its got a low carbon footprint then let the pen pushers use that.