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Johnnie
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31 Aug 2006, 1:49 pm

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People aren't nasty to blind people and other people with some sort of problem, but for some reason unless somebody is between being really mentality handi capped and normal it's open season on them.


I think there still seems to be some subconscious view among NTs that (unless, as you say, someone is severely and obviously mentally handicapped) that anyone with some kind of mental illness or disability just needs to 'pull themselves together' or 'isn't trying hard enough' - that it's in some way their own fault and they therefore deserve everything they get.


It's even true with kids and sports, their jock parent thinks if they practice more they will be a star :lol:

Look at the NCLB no child left behind mentality, it ignores basic logic. People have different IQ's so the only way no child is left behind is if they don't let the smart ones get ahead. :twisted:

I'm sure with massive amounts of effort my writing and spelling skills could be improved, why waste the effort trying to make those skills better when the effort could be put towards something I'm good at :?:



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01 Sep 2006, 10:44 am

Johnnie wrote:
I think there still seems to be some subconscious view among NTs that (unless, as you say, someone is severely and obviously mentally handicapped) that anyone with some kind of mental illness or disability just needs to 'pull themselves together' or 'isn't trying hard enough' - that it's in some way their own fault and they therefore deserve everything they get.


It's even true with kids and sports, their jock parent thinks if they practice more they will be a star :lol:

Look at the NCLB no child left behind mentality, it ignores basic logic. People have different IQ's so the only way no child is left behind is if they don't let the smart ones get ahead. :twisted:


I'm sure with massive amounts of effort my writing and spelling skills could be improved, why waste the effort trying to make those skills better when the effort could be put towards something I'm good at :?:[/quote]

I think that quite true about the NCLB. I think that they should come up with something better to let kids (who's parents usually can't afford the special schools for smarter kids) who are smarter or more capable to work at their full capacity. On the other hand, the other kids who aren't quite as capable in some things can be helped more than those who are more capable (although those who are capable will always need help no matter what). It would be difficult, however, to let a smarter/more capable individual excel in what they're good at while they may struggle in another area (or are less capable than average in that certain area). You would have to determine what every kid in the school is more capable at and have subjects in the school based on capability/intelligence (then one parent can say that it's biased and then there would be division as to who's better than who, and all that human *stuff*). I believe in multiple intelligence, meaning that we all have intelligence, it's just brighter in other places than what the IQ test says it is; we're all smart with different things (some can be cooking while another is math and another art... etc., etc.).


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02 Sep 2006, 6:12 am

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On the other hand, the other kids who aren't quite as capable in some things can be helped more than those who are more capable


At some point it becomes torture to keep annoying somebody to do better at something they aren't good at.

Look at this forum and the way people get sick and tired of everyone trying to push them into social situations which many here aren't good at. People make posts about just going to the store is hard for them, should a child be tortured by the school system 5 days a week for over a decade :twisted:

Thats what happened to my brother,they kept him back twice so from k thru 12th grade he spent 15 years in school and has about a 6th grade education. Nobody would just admit the kid wasn't good at book work and should just drop out of school and go get a job.
He works in a factory after all the torture and nothing good was accomplished by it,just the opposite, they turned him into a miserable person. :twisted:



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02 Sep 2006, 10:45 am

It saves the taxpayer money to exclude people who are differently abled, rather than assist those people to succeed in a more individuated school program.