Infrastructure improvements and jobs in America?
jojobean
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In the local culture a man puts on his hat and coat, to go to the village, on the way out the door picks up his AK-74, and joins with the other men to talk. Villages are in tribal areas, and the local men provide the services of police, army, and mostly drink tea. Many of them fought the Russians, with little outside help. Their tribes are related, blood, marraige, for the last thousand years.
The Americans did supply some help to fight the Russians, and the deal was, you should rule yourselves. They won, and they produced their own government, and even ended opium production.
Their government was made up of religious students, because they do not trust politicians. Taliban were sworn to uphold the faith. From an Afgan point of view it worked well for ten years, where tribal warfare was low level, but constant, as it had always been.
The main group is Pashtun. As were the Taliban. The Northern Tribes are not. They are a minority, and another culture. Under Pashtunwari, the code of conduct, hospitality is demanded. Everyone is entitled to at least three cups of tea. A guest is protected, and someone who served your cause moreso. Those who came to stand with them and fight the Russians could often not go home again.
They were freedom fighters who put their lives on the line to do what is happening in Egypt, Tunisia, and all over the mid east. Self rule, elections, and getting rid of the people who have been in office since the cold war.
It is their culture and their way, and Arabia was tribal, until the British armed the Saud Tribe, not long ago, and now they call themselves The Royal Family. They even made war on Mecca and took it from the rightful keepers. It is an offense to the tribes and the religion.
So yes, some did want to export revolution, and bring freedom from Kings set up by western powers.
Imagine Obama supported by the Chinese and ruling till one of his daughters becomes Queen. Then her children and theirs.
Their cause is just.
The tribes are bound by blood, and if you kill one, they are obligated to revenge. It is better that a hundred more die with honor, than one death is forgotten. This is friends, and also generations to come. They will take revenge.
They are the only people who beat Alexander the Great. He tore down their houses, cut their trees, filled wells and irrigation ditches, killed any he could find, and they won, for they will never quit. They will truly fight you to the last man woman and child.
When the mighty wanted to pass through, they sent people bringing gifts to ask, and permission was granted. Gengis had a problem with Iran, passed through and back, after removing all traces of three large cities from Iran. He turned them to grass.
Balbour when he invaded India, gave gifts, passed through, and won a land.
The Afgans have always been a social and good hearted people. To those who treat them well.
When the British invaded, they did not come as friends, and those who made it out alive, never wanted to go back. The Crown did, so there was a second invasion, with the same result.
When all thirteen time zones of Russia invaded, the war continued, Russians died. Lots of Afgans died, they never stopped, in fact one of their tactics is just wearing out an invader, and when they start falling back, that is when the all out attack comes. When the Russians left, the Afgans killed all who supported them.
They are not insurgents, they are the people. They will not be ruled by anyone but themselves. They will fight till the invaders leave, kill everyone who supported them, then go back to tribal ways, and fighting with each other. It is their chosen form of government, and has worked since before Alexander.
The choice is ours, we can lose tomorrow, next week, month, year, ten years, a hundred, we will lose, so how long do we bleed?
During the cold war there was a movie that showed Russian citizens in their homes, picnicing on the grass, playing sports...the young, the old...the innocent. It was a very controversial movie because it potrayed the Russians not as the iron curtian, or as the evil of the world, but as everyday people. If more people like you show our enemies are fellow humans, I`think war would not be so attractive.
_________________
All art is a kind of confession, more or less oblique. All artists, if they are to survive, are forced, at last, to tell the whole story; to vomit the anguish up.
-James Baldwin
In the local culture a man puts on his hat and coat, to go to the village, on the way out the door picks up his AK-74, and joins with the other men to talk. Villages are in tribal areas, and the local men provide the services of police, army, and mostly drink tea. Many of them fought the Russians, with little outside help. Their tribes are related, blood, marraige, for the last thousand years.
The Americans did supply some help to fight the Russians, and the deal was, you should rule yourselves. They won, and they produced their own government, and even ended opium production.
Their government was made up of religious students, because they do not trust politicians. Taliban were sworn to uphold the faith. From an Afgan point of view it worked well for ten years, where tribal warfare was low level, but constant, as it had always been.
The main group is Pashtun. As were the Taliban. The Northern Tribes are not. They are a minority, and another culture. Under Pashtunwari, the code of conduct, hospitality is demanded. Everyone is entitled to at least three cups of tea. A guest is protected, and someone who served your cause moreso. Those who came to stand with them and fight the Russians could often not go home again.
They were freedom fighters who put their lives on the line to do what is happening in Egypt, Tunisia, and all over the mid east. Self rule, elections, and getting rid of the people who have been in office since the cold war.
It is their culture and their way, and Arabia was tribal, until the British armed the Saud Tribe, not long ago, and now they call themselves The Royal Family. They even made war on Mecca and took it from the rightful keepers. It is an offense to the tribes and the religion.
So yes, some did want to export revolution, and bring freedom from Kings set up by western powers.
Imagine Obama supported by the Chinese and ruling till one of his daughters becomes Queen. Then her children and theirs.
Their cause is just.
The tribes are bound by blood, and if you kill one, they are obligated to revenge. It is better that a hundred more die with honor, than one death is forgotten. This is friends, and also generations to come. They will take revenge.
They are the only people who beat Alexander the Great. He tore down their houses, cut their trees, filled wells and irrigation ditches, killed any he could find, and they won, for they will never quit. They will truly fight you to the last man woman and child.
When the mighty wanted to pass through, they sent people bringing gifts to ask, and permission was granted. Gengis had a problem with Iran, passed through and back, after removing all traces of three large cities from Iran. He turned them to grass.
Balbour when he invaded India, gave gifts, passed through, and won a land.
The Afgans have always been a social and good hearted people. To those who treat them well.
When the British invaded, they did not come as friends, and those who made it out alive, never wanted to go back. The Crown did, so there was a second invasion, with the same result.
When all thirteen time zones of Russia invaded, the war continued, Russians died. Lots of Afgans died, they never stopped, in fact one of their tactics is just wearing out an invader, and when they start falling back, that is when the all out attack comes. When the Russians left, the Afgans killed all who supported them.
They are not insurgents, they are the people. They will not be ruled by anyone but themselves. They will fight till the invaders leave, kill everyone who supported them, then go back to tribal ways, and fighting with each other. It is their chosen form of government, and has worked since before Alexander.
The choice is ours, we can lose tomorrow, next week, month, year, ten years, a hundred, we will lose, so how long do we bleed?
During the cold war there was a movie that showed Russian citizens in their homes, picnicing on the grass, playing sports...the young, the old...the innocent. It was a very controversial movie because it potrayed the Russians not as the iron curtian, or as the evil of the world, but as everyday people. If more people like you show our enemies are fellow humans, I`think war would not be so attractive.
The Nazis did the same thing, and quite frankly the fact they could do such evil and still turn around and behave like a normal human is even more scary.
jojobean
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Joined: 12 Aug 2009
Age: 47
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Posts: 3,341
Location: In Georgia sipping a virgin pina' colada while the rest of the world is drunk
In the local culture a man puts on his hat and coat, to go to the village, on the way out the door picks up his AK-74, and joins with the other men to talk. Villages are in tribal areas, and the local men provide the services of police, army, and mostly drink tea. Many of them fought the Russians, with little outside help. Their tribes are related, blood, marraige, for the last thousand years.
The Americans did supply some help to fight the Russians, and the deal was, you should rule yourselves. They won, and they produced their own government, and even ended opium production.
Their government was made up of religious students, because they do not trust politicians. Taliban were sworn to uphold the faith. From an Afgan point of view it worked well for ten years, where tribal warfare was low level, but constant, as it had always been.
The main group is Pashtun. As were the Taliban. The Northern Tribes are not. They are a minority, and another culture. Under Pashtunwari, the code of conduct, hospitality is demanded. Everyone is entitled to at least three cups of tea. A guest is protected, and someone who served your cause moreso. Those who came to stand with them and fight the Russians could often not go home again.
They were freedom fighters who put their lives on the line to do what is happening in Egypt, Tunisia, and all over the mid east. Self rule, elections, and getting rid of the people who have been in office since the cold war.
It is their culture and their way, and Arabia was tribal, until the British armed the Saud Tribe, not long ago, and now they call themselves The Royal Family. They even made war on Mecca and took it from the rightful keepers. It is an offense to the tribes and the religion.
So yes, some did want to export revolution, and bring freedom from Kings set up by western powers.
Imagine Obama supported by the Chinese and ruling till one of his daughters becomes Queen. Then her children and theirs.
Their cause is just.
The tribes are bound by blood, and if you kill one, they are obligated to revenge. It is better that a hundred more die with honor, than one death is forgotten. This is friends, and also generations to come. They will take revenge.
They are the only people who beat Alexander the Great. He tore down their houses, cut their trees, filled wells and irrigation ditches, killed any he could find, and they won, for they will never quit. They will truly fight you to the last man woman and child.
When the mighty wanted to pass through, they sent people bringing gifts to ask, and permission was granted. Gengis had a problem with Iran, passed through and back, after removing all traces of three large cities from Iran. He turned them to grass.
Balbour when he invaded India, gave gifts, passed through, and won a land.
The Afgans have always been a social and good hearted people. To those who treat them well.
When the British invaded, they did not come as friends, and those who made it out alive, never wanted to go back. The Crown did, so there was a second invasion, with the same result.
When all thirteen time zones of Russia invaded, the war continued, Russians died. Lots of Afgans died, they never stopped, in fact one of their tactics is just wearing out an invader, and when they start falling back, that is when the all out attack comes. When the Russians left, the Afgans killed all who supported them.
They are not insurgents, they are the people. They will not be ruled by anyone but themselves. They will fight till the invaders leave, kill everyone who supported them, then go back to tribal ways, and fighting with each other. It is their chosen form of government, and has worked since before Alexander.
The choice is ours, we can lose tomorrow, next week, month, year, ten years, a hundred, we will lose, so how long do we bleed?
During the cold war there was a movie that showed Russian citizens in their homes, picnicing on the grass, playing sports...the young, the old...the innocent. It was a very controversial movie because it potrayed the Russians not as the iron curtian, or as the evil of the world, but as everyday people. If more people like you show our enemies are fellow humans, I`think war would not be so attractive.
The Nazis did the same thing, and quite frankly the fact they could do such evil and still turn around and behave like a normal human is even more scary.
What people often forget about the citizens of Nazi Germany was they were victims too. They had no choice but to do such evil things to others...if they resisted, the government would torture and kill their loved ones in front of them. In that kind of enviroment having a family is only a tool for the government to control you and make you do horrible things to protect your loved ones. Within all of us is ability to be selfless like Gandhi or totally evil like Hitler.
_________________
All art is a kind of confession, more or less oblique. All artists, if they are to survive, are forced, at last, to tell the whole story; to vomit the anguish up.
-James Baldwin
What people often forget about the citizens of Nazi Germany was they were victims too. They had no choice but to do such evil things to others...if they resisted, the government would torture and kill their loved ones in front of them. In that kind of enviroment having a family is only a tool for the government to control you and make you do horrible things to protect your loved ones. Within all of us is ability to be selfless like Gandhi or totally evil like Hitler.
A plurality of those "poor victims" elected Hitler to the Riechstag. Read -Hitler's Willing Executioners- by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen. And a lot of them were Seig Heling the Fuhrer before the war got to be a bit nasty for the Herrenvolk.
ruveyn
I'm a fan of going the opposite way. Automatize everything. If we aren't importing goods from sweatshops in other countries and instead using fully automatized machines to do everything then the domestic economy should be able to stabilize a bit and we would become a world leader in automated machinery.
Creating machines that can do our jobs would be a huge boost to the job market and the economy - provided that we can be the first to do it on a grand scale. Machine operators, import/exporters, mech engineers…
Creating machines that can do our jobs would be a huge boost to the job market and the economy - provided that we can be the first to do it on a grand scale. Machine operators, import/exporters, mech engineers…
How would Americans purchase or otherwise obtain the goods that are produced automatically without their labor?
ruveyn
The same as now, the automatic money factory will print and ship.
Banks and corporations have never had so much cash.
It does seem they should hire people and make loans.
The government has shown the way spending 50% more than they took in for the last decade.
The result is more money for everyone.
Based on the growth of the money supply, our wealth has tripled!
Enjoy the new prosperity!
Banks and corporations have never had so much cash.
It does seem they should hire people and make loans.
The government has shown the way spending 50% more than they took in for the last decade.
The result is more money for everyone.
Based on the growth of the money supply, our wealth has tripled!
Enjoy the new prosperity!
They aren't lending and rich people aren't spending because of Obama's lack of respect of the rule of law.
Kraichgauer
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Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
Banks and corporations have never had so much cash.
It does seem they should hire people and make loans.
The government has shown the way spending 50% more than they took in for the last decade.
The result is more money for everyone.
Based on the growth of the money supply, our wealth has tripled!
Enjoy the new prosperity!
They aren't lending and rich people aren't spending because of Obama's lack of respect of the rule of law.
Or maybe the rich are just selfish bastards who hold onto their money like a bunch of greedy misers, and who have no sense of duty, obligation, or even compassion for their fellow but poorer Americans who they've left out in the cold.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Banks and corporations have never had so much cash.
It does seem they should hire people and make loans.
The government has shown the way spending 50% more than they took in for the last decade.
The result is more money for everyone.
Based on the growth of the money supply, our wealth has tripled!
Enjoy the new prosperity!
They aren't lending and rich people aren't spending because of Obama's lack of respect of the rule of law.
Or maybe the rich are just selfish bastards who hold onto their money like a bunch of greedy misers, and who have no sense of duty, obligation, or even compassion for their fellow but poorer Americans who they've left out in the cold.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Tell that to Bill and Melinda Gates.
Andrew Carnegie who in his time was a true Billionaire (when gold was $20 an ounce) set up a system of 3000 free libraries so working men could get to read books that they could not afford to buy.
ruveyn
Kraichgauer
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But I was actually talking about how many of the super wealthy have not been putting back into the economy by hiring more people in this country.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Because they are afraid that Obama will suddenly change the rules and take away their rights as investors like he did to the Chrysler Bond Holders.
Kraichgauer
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But I was actually talking about how many of the super wealthy have not been putting back into the economy by hiring more people in this country.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Because they are afraid that Obama will suddenly change the rules and take away their rights as investors like he did to the Chrysler Bond Holders.
Or maybe they've just decided there are greener pastures elsewhere, regardless of who's president, and have no real sense of loyalty and patriotism anymore.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
But I was actually talking about how many of the super wealthy have not been putting back into the economy by hiring more people in this country.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Because they are afraid that Obama will suddenly change the rules and take away their rights as investors like he did to the Chrysler Bond Holders.
Or maybe they've just decided there are greener pastures elsewhere, regardless of who's president, and have no real sense of loyalty and patriotism anymore.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Would you invest in a place where a contract isn't worth the paper it is printed on? If so, you are a complete idiot.
Kraichgauer
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Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 48,640
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
But I was actually talking about how many of the super wealthy have not been putting back into the economy by hiring more people in this country.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Because they are afraid that Obama will suddenly change the rules and take away their rights as investors like he did to the Chrysler Bond Holders.
Or maybe they've just decided there are greener pastures elsewhere, regardless of who's president, and have no real sense of loyalty and patriotism anymore.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Would you invest in a place where a contract isn't worth the paper it is printed on? If so, you are a complete idiot.
I'd invest in my own country. So I guess my patriotism and love of country makes me an idiot.
If lower class Americans are expected to shed their blood for America, then the rich shouldn't have to much of a problem spending a little money for her.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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