Michelle Duggar Expecting 20th Child

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12 Nov 2011, 6:04 pm

Exactly!! The last baby almost not making it should've been a sign that she needs to stop reproducing!

What is wrong with this family? :x



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12 Nov 2011, 6:04 pm

A woman's body is not a baby factory, despite what shoddy misogynists might think.



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12 Nov 2011, 8:54 pm

Gedrene wrote:
A woman's body is not a baby factory, despite what shoddy misogynists might think.


I still cant get over this idea, that she is going to have as many as God will give her.
If she wants a real miricle, she needs to get her tubes tied then if she gets pregnant again, then she may consider it divine intervention, other than that...is is just pure biology.

Still wondering if she is catholic and does not believe in birth control...of course, the other option is abstince if her religion forbids birth control.

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12 Nov 2011, 9:32 pm

jojobean wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
A woman's body is not a baby factory, despite what shoddy misogynists might think.


I still cant get over this idea, that she is going to have as many as God will give her.
If she wants a real miricle, she needs to get her tubes tied then if she gets pregnant again, then she may consider it divine intervention, other than that...is is just pure biology.

Still wondering if she is catholic and does not believe in birth control...of course, the other option is abstince if her religion forbids birth control.

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From my understanding, the Duggars are Baptists who practice the teachings of the Quiverfull movement. One of those beliefs was something along the lines of "be fruitful and multiply", which I guess means have a lot of children.

It seems as if all religions expect you to have a bunch of children!!



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13 Nov 2011, 9:04 am

peaceloveerin wrote:
From my understanding, the Duggars are Baptists who practice the teachings of the Quiverfull movement. One of those beliefs was something along the lines of "be fruitful and multiply", which I guess means have a lot of children.

It seems as if all religions expect you to have a bunch of children!!
I can only presume that the number of adherents to this particular strain of baptism (in the same vein as I talk about a strain of anthrax) will soon be very numerous.



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14 Nov 2011, 9:15 am

I've watched their show, and I'm scared for her! I was really hoping they would slow down, especially since their last child's premature birth was triggered by Michelle getting gallstones and preclampsia.

As for the Duggar's beliefs, they belong to a conservative form of Baptism that goes by the Institute of Basic Life Principles teachings. Google it, it's a scary organisation with strict lifestyle guidelines. Dogging contraception is one of them.

Pfft, I dunno. On the show they always say, "God won't give you more than you can handle..." see, as a Christian I always viewed contraceptives as a handling mechanism, shall we say. there's nothing biblical about having as many children as you can until your body fall apart.

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15 Nov 2011, 3:45 pm

The one thing I know of is that the Duggars belong to a Baptist sect that is also against birth control, as they blamed an early miscarriage on her taking the Pill. When I first heard about that family, I thought they were Mormon because while that church does allow birth control, members often have larger than average families. Either way, one would have thought they would have seen that with their last child being a preemie and nearly dying as a result, it would have been a sign from God that maybe they should stop. Unfortunately, that's not the case, and if the pregnancy goes farther than the last one, the child is at greater risk of DS or other genetic condition. If she has the same pregnancy problem as the last one, it could happen earlier, where the micro preemie wouldn't survive in the NICU. There's also a likely chance that Michelle could die, leaving those children without a mother.



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15 Nov 2011, 5:53 pm

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The one thing I know of is that the Duggars belong to a Baptist sect that is also against birth control, as they blamed an early miscarriage on her taking the Pill. When I first heard about that family, I thought they were Mormon because while that church does allow birth control, members often have larger than average families. Either way, one would have thought they would have seen that with their last child being a preemie and nearly dying as a result, it would have been a sign from God that maybe they should stop. Unfortunately, that's not the case, and if the pregnancy goes farther than the last one, the child is at greater risk of DS or other genetic condition. If she has the same pregnancy problem as the last one, it could happen earlier, where the micro preemie wouldn't survive in the NICU. There's also a likely chance that Michelle could die, leaving those children without a mother.

I didn't know the Mormon church allows birth control. I thought the reason they had larger than average families was because they were against it. Interesting!



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15 Nov 2011, 10:13 pm

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16 Nov 2011, 8:29 pm

Ugh. I wish she (and he) would just stop. Like we don't have enough babies on the planet already.

And it's unhealthy to have that many kids. It really is. We are humans, not baby making machines.

Adopt, for God's sake. There are 280,000 kids in the US without a family.

A child doesn't need to be pushed out of your vagina to love and be loved.



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16 Nov 2011, 9:48 pm

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Ugh. I wish she (and he) would just stop. Like we don't have enough babies on the planet already.

And it's unhealthy to have that many kids. It really is. We are humans, not baby making machines.

Adopt, for God's sake. There are 280,000 kids in the US without a family.

A child doesn't need to be pushed out of your vagina to love and be loved.


I never understood the way some people will only love their own biological child. Men are more often culprits of this philosophy, although some women are that way too. I have heard several guys when talking about not wanting to marry a women with kids, and they said "I am not going to raise another man's child". Such thinking is so alien to me...I would rather adopt some child already born, than produce another earthling myself. Becides, kids totally overstimulate me before the age of 4 with unpredictable temper tantrums...and the complete helplessness of an infant is too much responcibility for me. I am much older than my siblings so I got to learn enough about babies and toddlers to know that I cant handle that.
I was usually having meltdowns when they had temper tantrums, my poor mama.

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16 Nov 2011, 10:16 pm

I agree with everything said here. I mean look at Table for 12. They had sets of twins and ended up with one child who has Cerebral Palsy. With that many kids now, Michelle is already risking it all to keep having more kids. It affects the child but her as well, like said with health issues. I agree that this child is more likely to end up with cerebral palsy, Down syndrome or some other condition that will impact how he/she grows.

But in all honesty, I'd kind of like to see how she handles a child who actually does get Down Syndrome or whatever. Maybe then she will realize the higher possiblity she has and stop. I can't BELIEVE she can have that many kids. How the hell do you keep track of that many? It's just... ridiculous. My mom stopped having kids after she had me... she even said that even I'M a handful as it is and she couldn't handle on more child if she could get pregnant (She can't since she had to have her tubes tied, so to speak because she had complications with me when I was born and had to have a c-section.)

But at the same time, its going to really stress her if she gets a special needs baby. I mean with their religion and beliefs, a special needs child will most likely result in serious developmental and learning concerns that I don't think she can handle in the way she does things. She's raised her kids a certain way and just like it is with us who are autistic, think of how it will be for a special needs child who sees the world in a different way. That means she will have to change the way she does things and how she disciplines that child, etc.

I would hate to see her raise a special needs child in the environment they live by... not to be rude or disrepectful but I've seen how she raises them. Because believe me, one child with special needs will turn her world upside down.


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16 Nov 2011, 11:04 pm

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I agree with everything said here. I mean look at Table for 12. They had sets of twins and ended up with one child who has Cerebral Palsy. With that many kids now, Michelle is already risking it all to keep having more kids. It affects the child but her as well, like said with health issues. I agree that this child is more likely to end up with cerebral palsy, Down syndrome or some other condition that will impact how he/she grows.

But in all honesty, I'd kind of like to see how she handles a child who actually does get Down Syndrome or whatever. Maybe then she will realize the higher possiblity she has and stop. I can't BELIEVE she can have that many kids. How the hell do you keep track of that many? It's just... ridiculous. My mom stopped having kids after she had me... she even said that even I'M a handful as it is and she couldn't handle on more child if she could get pregnant (She can't since she had to have her tubes tied, so to speak because she had complications with me when I was born and had to have a c-section.)

But at the same time, its going to really stress her if she gets a special needs baby. I mean with their religion and beliefs, a special needs child will most likely result in serious developmental and learning concerns that I don't think she can handle in the way she does things. She's raised her kids a certain way and just like it is with us who are autistic, think of how it will be for a special needs child who sees the world in a different way. That means she will have to change the way she does things and how she disciplines that child, etc.

I would hate to see her raise a special needs child in the environment they live by... not to be rude or disrepectful but I've seen how she raises them. Because believe me, one child with special needs will turn her world upside down.



Ya a downs kid would be rough for her. Her little kid ladder where the older kid takes care of the next younger kid, repeat repeat down the ladder would not work for a down's kid. As babies, they are very sickly and need alot of medical care and are in and out of the hospital till they are 5-6 years old, then how can you entrust another child to raise a kid with downs by themselves, you cant. They will need alot of skilled one on one and are very accident prone most of their lives due to poor coordnation and a lack of problem solving skills. They develop very slowly, at 8 years old, they are like 2-3 year olds and some are still putting objects in their mouth. By the time they are 20, they are like 6-8 year olds....they never grasp abstract thinking, so in some ways they are stuck developmentally once they get to a certain stage. Like us with autism, some ppl with downs are higher functioning than others. A few are able to live independantly with assistance after 30 or so, most need parrental care their entire lives, some have comorbids like LFA, profound MR, and others
They need physical therapy, cognotive therapy, occupational therapy. However, on the plus side, they are the happiest people on the planet, you could not ask for a happier baby than a child with downs.

As far as her faith goes, I doubt she will see it as a sign to quit adding to the baby train. She would just tell herself, God wont give me more than I can handle, no matter how many special needs kids she will give birth to.
PPl like that think that God expects you to hang your brain on the coat rack next to the bedroom door.

My advise to her....God gave you a brain, and expects you to use it.

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17 Nov 2011, 12:30 am

LeoAspie wrote:
Ugh. I wish she (and he) would just stop. Like we don't have enough babies on the planet already.

And it's unhealthy to have that many kids. It really is. We are humans, not baby making machines.

Adopt, for God's sake. There are 280,000 kids in the US without a family.

A child doesn't need to be pushed out of your vagina to love and be loved.

And what really frustrates me is that the religious ones are the ones who tell us to stop judging them!!



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20 Nov 2011, 3:58 am

I think its a sign to stop when your kids are having kids :?



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20 Nov 2011, 10:51 am

What I find sad is that the kids are expected to participate in cleaning and care of the other siblings, house, everything. That's just not right, it wasn't their choice to have so many siblings. If you can't care for your own children but in turn put your kids in that parental role... ... . I'm not talking about regular chores either. I'm talking about expectations.