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GoonSquad
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28 Dec 2011, 12:21 am
GoonSquad wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
That's very forward thinking. In a few years maybe you'll get a pat on the head and a bowl of rice when they're running things here.
Why would they do anything to harm their biggest customer? Taking aside the question of why, the how is still tricky for them, as millions of soldiers cannot simply cross the Pacific on rafts, and we have ways of dealing with their numerical superiority in a self preservation situation. I doubt it would even come to nukes or germs or poison though, you simply can't move that many people in force without being observed, and if there's on thing the US is still the best in the world at it's efficient, remote killing.
Regimes like China are not defeated on the battlefield or through isolation, but by engaging their people and showing them that something better exists, that what they have isn't what they have to settle for. That's why the Chinese government is so fanatical about information control, they're terrified of their people rising against them, but their position is untenable if they also need to engage economically with freer nations.
But what do I know, I'm just a lapdog for China, albeit one that doesn't need to resort to ad hominem when disagreed with.
How long do you think we can maintain our position as number one customer? We bleed out more than $270 billion in American wealth to China via trade every year. We import sophisticated consumer electronics and export cardboard and scrap metal. That is not a sustainable model. What happens when we are no longer a valuable trading partner? What happens when our only value is in labor and land?
The Chinese are also fanatical about KILLING people who cause problems and don't go along with their program. The Chines position is perfectly tenable as long as they are being funded by the west and they're willing to ruthlessly suppress any dissent.
...and that's the whole point of this thread. The Chinese people already know that something better exists. The government is about to jail a guy (or worse), simply because he made some posts on the internet ABOUT WANTING SOMETHING BETTER.
There will not be a "Chinese Spring." There's sure to be another massacre like the one in 1989 in Tiananmen Square, but no Chinese Spring....
But what do we care? The death of a Chinese peasant or a 1000 or 10,000 Chinese peasants is nothing compared to the tragedy of higher consumer costs or slimmer corporate profit margins.
If we did care, we might insist that the Chinese make political reforms and have some slight regard for the human rights of their own citizens if they want to continue trading with us...
But what do I know? I'm just a mean, old ad hominemer!
Edit: damn auto correct!
Don't we have even more people in jail than China? Who's more oppressed?
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28 Dec 2011, 2:02 am
oldmantime wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
That's very forward thinking. In a few years maybe you'll get a pat on the head and a bowl of rice when they're running things here.
Why would they do anything to harm their biggest customer? Taking aside the question of why, the how is still tricky for them, as millions of soldiers cannot simply cross the Pacific on rafts, and we have ways of dealing with their numerical superiority in a self preservation situation. I doubt it would even come to nukes or germs or poison though, you simply can't move that many people in force without being observed, and if there's on thing the US is still the best in the world at it's efficient, remote killing.
Regimes like China are not defeated on the battlefield or through isolation, but by engaging their people and showing them that something better exists, that what they have isn't what they have to settle for. That's why the Chinese government is so fanatical about information control, they're terrified of their people rising against them, but their position is untenable if they also need to engage economically with freer nations.
But what do I know, I'm just a lapdog for China, albeit one that doesn't need to resort to ad hominem when disagreed with.
How long do you think we can maintain our position as number one customer? We bleed out more than $270 billion in American wealth to China via trade every year. We import sophisticated consumer electronics and export cardboard and scrap metal. That is not a sustainable model. What happens when we are no longer a valuable trading partner? What happens when our only value is in labor and land?
The Chinese are also fanatical about KILLING people who cause problems and don't go along with their program. The Chines position is perfectly tenable as long as they are being funded by the west and they're willing to ruthlessly suppress any dissent.
...and that's the whole point of this thread. The Chinese people already know that something better exists. The government is about to jail a guy (or worse), simply because he made some posts on the internet ABOUT WANTING SOMETHING BETTER.
There will not be a "Chinese Spring." There's sure to be another massacre like the one in 1989 in Tiananmen Square, but no Chinese Spring....
But what do we care? The death of a Chinese peasant or a 1000 or 10,000 Chinese peasants is nothing compared to the tragedy of higher consumer costs or slimmer corporate profit margins.
If we did care, we might insist that the Chinese make political reforms and have some slight regard for the human rights of their own citizens if they want to continue trading with us...
But what do I know? I'm just a mean, old ad hominemer!
Edit: damn auto correct!
Don't we have even more people in jail than China? Who's more oppressed?
China does not bother with jail most of the time... At least in the US, a person has the right to an attorney before being sentanced to oppression. The Chinese gov mostly kills anyone who as so much anoys them.
I try not to buy chinese products....but somethings I could not get american made...like electronics and tools.
I even went to shopping at antique malls to avoid chinese products.
This all started after the plastic in the dog food, the lead in baby toys, and the hundreds of other recalls ever year from crap made in China.
My mom thinks that China put lead in the baby toys to dumb down American kids so they will takeover in a few generations from now.
I dunno...I think they just have no regard for living beings....and lead is cheap
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28 Dec 2011, 8:21 am
Wal Mart is about the only big store within 40 miles of me. I have two other grocery stores, one other drug store, several gas stations, a McDonalds, a Subway, a Dollar General, several banks, a bazillion churches although none are Catholic, lots of taxidermists and lumber companies. My options are very limited. I don't have the gas to drive over 40 miles, one way, just to buy something I need. Some of Dollar Generals stuff is ok, but lots of it is cheap and falls apart.
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