School accused of putting autistic student in bag

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Are you in favor of home schooling?
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29 Dec 2011, 6:21 pm

Hard to say whether the teacher should be punished. The kid was obviously out of place, and was competent enough to realize what he was doing was wrong. He wasn't hurt or anything that I can tell. If the teacher faces disciplinary action, will the kid think that what he does wasn't that bad or maybe he was right? On the surface, it seem like the teacher's decision was pretty wack, but it doesn't really seem so when you look at the whole thing.



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29 Dec 2011, 8:53 pm

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This was an ill advised and possibly illegal way of controlling the child, but the individuals calling for the educator's heads should answer this question: How would you handle a disorderly child?


Children forced into the organised torture that is the public education system should be disorderly. I am very sure the British asked similar questions of those who complained about their methods of handling the "disorderly" protesters Gandhi led.


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30 Dec 2011, 2:41 am

PM wrote:
This was an ill advised and possibly illegal way of controlling the child, but the individuals calling for the educator's heads should answer this question: How would you handle a disorderly child?

The best way is to find out why the child is being disorderly and change that.
Failiong that there are many ways, redirection being one. Some training in that area is what the teachers need, there are courses, the staff at the SN unit my son goes to next year have all been on training in managing these situations and have not had to restrain a child in 6 years.



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30 Dec 2011, 3:19 pm

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I would like to see it established that forcing anyone to "function in a classroom environment" is inherently child abuse. Period. Torture. Inhumane. Vile.

I suffered through public school. I even had a few very good teachers. In spite of that, I honestly believe that I could have learned far more just left to my own devices. In fact, I usually did learn more on my own than I learned in school. Public education taught me two things: 1; to be lazy (because I was so far ahead of the required work that I never needed to struggle to do any of it), 2: to loathe being required to do anything "just because" to the point where I am totally unable to endure anything of the sort, even in situations where I am intellectually aware that might be better. I already suffered far too much of it. As a result, I am less fit for living as an adult than I would have been if left alone.


This is probably the most interesting response here.

I am fed up to the teeth with the notion that any differential treatment of a child on the autistic spectrum is ipso facto abusive. Self-righteousness and martyrdom are not becoming, and it descends very quickly into whining. When someone compares disorderly children to Gandhi's followers we have truly travelled from the sublime to the ridiculous.

But the notion that the compulsory primary and secondary system can be all things to all children is a deeply flawed premise in our public policy. Why was Christopher in this public school setting in the first place? Are our societies so bankrupt that we continue to deprive the education system of the resources to provide for each child, rather than all children.


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30 Dec 2011, 11:05 pm

visagrunt wrote:
theWanderer wrote:
I would like to see it established that forcing anyone to "function in a classroom environment" is inherently child abuse. Period. Torture. Inhumane. Vile.

I suffered through public school. I even had a few very good teachers. In spite of that, I honestly believe that I could have learned far more just left to my own devices. In fact, I usually did learn more on my own than I learned in school. Public education taught me two things: 1; to be lazy (because I was so far ahead of the required work that I never needed to struggle to do any of it), 2: to loathe being required to do anything "just because" to the point where I am totally unable to endure anything of the sort, even in situations where I am intellectually aware that might be better. I already suffered far too much of it. As a result, I am less fit for living as an adult than I would have been if left alone.


This is probably the most interesting response here.

I am fed up to the teeth with the notion that any differential treatment of a child on the autistic spectrum is ipso facto abusive. Self-righteousness and martyrdom are not becoming, and it descends very quickly into whining. When someone compares disorderly children to Gandhi's followers we have truly travelled from the sublime to the ridiculous.

But the notion that the compulsory primary and secondary system can be all things to all children is a deeply flawed premise in our public policy. Why was Christopher in this public school setting in the first place? Are our societies so bankrupt that we continue to deprive the education system of the resources to provide for each child, rather than all children.


I am sooo for homeschooling, but alot of parents cant do that due to cost and both parents having to work....even harder in a single parent households.
However there needs to be an alternative to public education.

As to what I would have done,
1st find out what is the problem and correct it.
If no problem to be found but the child is still going off, then I would remove the child and give him/her a quiet calm place to finish the episode, like meltdown etc. Then once the meltdown is over, give the child time to regain their composure and gentling distract them with things that interest them. I always found the blowing bubbles works good to calm and distract me when stressed. The swirling colors and the game of blowing the biggest bubble is calming. Plus the deep breathing used to blow bubbles releases endorphins which is the happy chemical.

Schools with special needs children need to have rooms that are designed to soothe and calm children who are having a meltdown, panic attack or some other stress related behavior issue. Like using special lighting that is calming, use padded walls and padded floors to prevent the from hurting themselves, use cool colors like blues, greens and violets, instead of bright warm colors like orange red and yellow.
And have some stuffed toys and other toys that cannot be used to hurt themselves with, a couch or bed/pillows
books on facinating topics
and of course bubbles.

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31 Dec 2011, 2:11 am

jojobean wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
theWanderer wrote:
I would like to see it established that forcing anyone to "function in a classroom environment" is inherently child abuse. Period. Torture. Inhumane. Vile.

I suffered through public school. I even had a few very good teachers. In spite of that, I honestly believe that I could have learned far more just left to my own devices. In fact, I usually did learn more on my own than I learned in school. Public education taught me two things: 1; to be lazy (because I was so far ahead of the required work that I never needed to struggle to do any of it), 2: to loathe being required to do anything "just because" to the point where I am totally unable to endure anything of the sort, even in situations where I am intellectually aware that might be better. I already suffered far too much of it. As a result, I am less fit for living as an adult than I would have been if left alone.


This is probably the most interesting response here.

I am fed up to the teeth with the notion that any differential treatment of a child on the autistic spectrum is ipso facto abusive. Self-righteousness and martyrdom are not becoming, and it descends very quickly into whining. When someone compares disorderly children to Gandhi's followers we have truly travelled from the sublime to the ridiculous.

But the notion that the compulsory primary and secondary system can be all things to all children is a deeply flawed premise in our public policy. Why was Christopher in this public school setting in the first place? Are our societies so bankrupt that we continue to deprive the education system of the resources to provide for each child, rather than all children.


I am sooo for homeschooling, but alot of parents cant do that due to cost and both parents having to work....even harder in a single parent households.
However there needs to be an alternative to public education.

As to what I would have done,
1st find out what is the problem and correct it.
If no problem to be found but the child is still going off, then I would remove the child and give him/her a quiet calm place to finish the episode, like meltdown etc. Then once the meltdown is over, give the child time to regain their composure and gentling distract them with things that interest them. I always found the blowing bubbles works good to calm and distract me when stressed. The swirling colors and the game of blowing the biggest bubble is calming. Plus the deep breathing used to blow bubbles releases endorphins which is the happy chemical.

Schools with special needs children need to have rooms that are designed to soothe and calm children who are having a meltdown, panic attack or some other stress related behavior issue. Like using special lighting that is calming, use padded walls and padded floors to prevent the from hurting themselves, use cool colors like blues, greens and violets, instead of bright warm colors like orange red and yellow.
And have some stuffed toys and other toys that cannot be used to hurt themselves with, a couch or bed/pillows
books on facinating topics
and of course bubbles.

Jojo

The SN unit my son goes to next year has things like that and multiple rooms to be able to go into for de-escalation and for calming down. They also have a large trampoline inside, big enough to do a flip on, and many of the kids go and bounce on there. They told me one girl has to start her day with 15 minutes of very energetic bouncing then she is good and calm till lunchtime and then they do some more.



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31 Dec 2011, 3:27 pm

Its terrible this happen. Education school system is different by state just to let you know. Just becouse this school is abuse does not mean they all tarrible. I know some of best thechers around that thech autistic kids. But for the homing schooling part. Not everyone who is autistic should go into homeschooling it is not for everyone. Learning the most important social skills come from interacting from interactiions from peers and this I mean when there was a few times I was teased badly I hang out by self during lucnch time. But hanged in there. I remember I had bad social skills when I younger but I learned by studying how my peers interact with each other and interacting with the two friends I knew and all the adults in school. Now that am 22 I can interact in nerotypical scoity but am not at perfect nerotypical socializer and that's ok I can least get by in society. Even though people get nicer after school. You will still have bullies but they are much more subtle. And that why you need skills to handle it correctly. I know it parent thing to watch over your kid but you will not be there with them in college as college can't be home schooled. and work. And you will not live forever. so they need the skills be so they can be confident in life. School is great place learn to social skills so they learn interact with lots of different people as society is like. Am glad I was not home schooled as I would never learn skills to interact with
different people. And people need other people to interact with not just their family.