Wikipedia to blackout in protest of SOPA

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17 Jan 2012, 2:55 pm

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WP Internet Boycott: DO NOT use the internet on the 18th to show solidarity! Don't use computers, smart phones, or any other means of internet access. Keep your computers and phones turned off all day. Unplug in protest. Pass it around.

Visagrunt, maybe what we could do is set up a clearinghouse, like ASCAP is for musicians, so that the biggest sites could pay fees to it for "blanket use" of copyrighted material.

Would be difficult for me to convince my supervisor that I won't be able to use the computer...I work for the State of New Jersey for DDD ( Division of Developmental Disabilities) so it would be counterproductive for our consumers if I was not allowed to do my job....perhaps at home I won't use it.

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17 Jan 2012, 4:26 pm

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Boycott the internet? I think not. Boycotts exercise commercial pressure--but there is no commercial interest to be served. In fact, you will only be hurting advertiser supported sites by cutting into their traffic and revenue.

If you want to boycott something, boycott Hollywood. Don't go to the movies. Don't buy any blue-rays. Don't sign onto Netflix.

As for the clearinghouse, I think there is a lot of merit in the idea--especially if people can trace the pricetag of a "free" internet back to people who are creating the content.

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17 Jan 2012, 8:59 pm

alex, you should use chances idea and do this http://sopablackout.org/ for the page tomorrow, if you don't want to do a full shutdown.

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18 Jan 2012, 1:26 am

How to participate plus a list of confirmed participants:

http://sopastrike.com/#how-to-strike

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18 Jan 2012, 1:40 am

I don't see how this is going to help to keep the bill from passing.

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18 Jan 2012, 1:49 am

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I don't see how this is going to help to keep the bill from passing.

Think of it as a form of civil disobedience and the exercising of the freedom to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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18 Jan 2012, 1:52 am

League_Girl wrote:

I don't see how this is going to help to keep the bill from passing.

if popular websites do the black out, its a very good way to get people who dont know or care to be like wtf, f**k you web site, than they be like wtf, f**k you sopa

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18 Jan 2012, 2:02 am

I see there is no way for your fellow canucks to support you guys, is there? <.<

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18 Jan 2012, 2:27 am

I noticed the black bar; nicely done. Politico is describing the bill as "on life support", in large part due to the efforts of web based companies and sites, like what is being done here:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71562.html

The article talks about politicians fears of alienating the industry that helped elect many of them; I wonder what would happen if social media sites like Facebook and Twitter directly threatened pols who vote for this sort of thing, like deleting their accounts and shutting down their feeds? I would think being cut off that way could actually change elections for some candidates, and would thus be actually effective as a tactic.

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18 Jan 2012, 5:35 am

visagrunt wrote:

I am pleased to see that some of the hyperbole has been ratcheted down. (Though not all, it seems).

Free speech advocates on the internet will, however, still have to reconcile themselves to how they propose to accommodate the fact that there is no free speech interest in ideas owned by others. The Supreme Court was crystal clear that copyrights, trademarks and broadcast rights are an accpetable infringement of free expression. It is all well and good to complain that current legislative proposals go to far (and they do).

But it is not acceptable to argue that the internet can or should be a place in which the interests of the owners of copyrights and broadcast licensees can be eradicated.

I have yet to see an opponent of SOPA and PIPA acknowledge those rights and propose how they can be respected.

I have yet to hear of anyone who opposes the SOPA bill to be a supporter of software piracy and copyright infringement. The problem is that while the SOPA bill may protect the IP interests of many people, it also stops people from having the freedom to share their own work. For example, the internet is a main distribution source of open source software such as Linux and open source software is a great benefit to the economy but the SOPA bill could prohibit it's distribution.

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18 Jan 2012, 8:28 am

Dox47 wrote:

As much as I am now in support of killing this SOPA bill...if corporations were able to effectively threaten our elected representatives in congress with blackmail, that would be the end of our democratic-republic...( yes im probably being naive thinking the corporations haven't already done this)...

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18 Jan 2012, 8:51 am

Tip: Wikipedia still works, but you have to disable Javascript so it won't redirect.

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18 Jan 2012, 9:51 am

Nexus wrote:

SOPA and PIPA will be back, maybe slightly watered down but still malicious in intent. Basically it's the "Door-in-the-face technique" they're trying here. This is where you introduce a horrendous offer that people will reject immediately but upon the second offer, it'll sound better (but it will be the same product if you get what I mean).
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I think so too. That's what I was talking about with my kids last night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique

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18 Jan 2012, 10:06 am

Visagrunt wrote:
Boycott the internet? I think not. Boycotts exercise commercial pressure--but there is no commercial interest to be served. In fact, you will only be hurting advertiser supported sites by cutting into their traffic and revenue.

If you want to boycott something, boycott Hollywood. Don't go to the movies. Don't buy any blue-rays. Don't sign onto Netflix.

^ We decided to do this, (however we do go to a movie once or twice a year) and it was kind of a drag for the kids but we're used to it now. Never have signed on to Netflix.
I wonder what the big retail stores that are online think about the bills. The news has been silent about that, or maybe I missed that part.

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18 Jan 2012, 4:19 pm

alex wrote:

JeremyNJ1984 wrote:

I am not to familiar with the specifics of the bill. How would it impact this site in particular? My understanding of the bill was that it was primarily aimed at Online piracy and protecting intellectual property rights? Just curious thats all.

Here's an explanation:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/01/h ... ree-speech

As the wrong planet has had such an important positive effect on the lives of people with autism, should we be thinking of some version of the British "Zero Option" plan in case some silly court case forces the wrong planet to be closed down ? I was woundering if anything could be done to safeguard the community's future ?

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18 Jan 2012, 4:31 pm

If SOPA or PIPA actually does get passed, the American public will explode with outrage, and I will certainly be right in the middle of it. In fact, I'd be very much willing to go right to Washington to protest or something!

I mean cmon guys, we can't just let the government come in all of the sudden and say "Sorry, but because Hollywood feels threatened for some reason, you can't post this material, and we're gonna shut down this entire site." It would not only destroy the idea of a free web, but would also risk millions of jobs for certain websites like Google, Wikipedia, and YouTube.

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