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02 Feb 2012, 6:20 pm

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I don't care about the poor either. So sue me.

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Your name is now "Sue". Would you like "Sioux" instead?



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02 Feb 2012, 6:22 pm

Has Romney ever had to use the "safety net"?



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02 Feb 2012, 6:35 pm

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Has Romney ever had to use the "safety net"?



I have no idea. I have been on it before and I was okay.



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02 Feb 2012, 6:53 pm

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I did read it in context and I don't see what point you are trying to make. Looks like to me you are telling me "Agree with me" by saying "Take it in context."

I don't understand what the person is trying to say at the end of the article.


My point was that, even after having it pointed out to him that many people were insulted by the remark, he won't accept that it was insulting.

I'm not saying anyone should agree that he doesn't care about the poor. I'm not saying he doesn't care about the poor either. I am saying that whether he does or doesn't, isn't the point as far as I'm concerned. The point, to me, is that many, including me, find the remark insulting, and he hasn't acknowledged how it makes us feel.

By simply explaining what he really meant, all he is doing is telling me what I already know. I know he didn't mean it that way, but the remark, as worded, is still insulting. It's that the fact that many of us are insulted by it that he isn't acknowledging. It's as if he's saying we don't have any reason or right to feel insulted. Well we do, and we disagree. We feel we do have the right to feel insulted, and by simply rewording what he meant, which a lot of us already know anyway, all he's doing is invalidating how we feel about the wording itself. It was a poor choice of words, and he should have admitted that.

I'm not telling you or anyone else to agree with me. I'm only stating how I feel about the situation. I feel as I do because of his choice of words. I think it says a lot about him that is far from flattering that all he's done so far is dance around what to me was an obvious gaff. I can't respect anyone that can't admit to making a mistake, especially when it's a mistake that could have been made up for so easily by a simple apology. To simply deny that he meant what he so clearly said, just makes it worse. It's as if he's saying, "You shouldn't have taken it that way." Sorry Mitt, but we did, and you said it. It doesn't matter that you didn't mean it. You said it and all you need to do is admit it, apologize and move on. But he hasn't. And that is what makes the situation a genuine black mark on his reputation for a great may people. Not the fact that he said what he said, as much as the fact that he just denies the validly of how it made a lot of people feel.

I don't understand why it's so damned hard for some politicians to just step back from their pedestals and admit that they sometimes say very stupid things. I have a lot of respect for those that are willing to apologize instead of just defending every word they say no matter who or how many take exception to it.

I didn't put it in context to get you to agree. I didn't put in context because I didn't think you had bothered to read it.

I put it in context because you said (and many commentators are also saying), "They're taking it out of context." I'm not taking it out of context. Even IN context, the remarks are insulting to me.


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02 Feb 2012, 6:56 pm

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I did read it in context and I don't see what point you are trying to make. Looks like to me you are telling me "Agree with me" by saying "Take it in context."

I don't understand what the person is trying to say at the end of the article.


My point was that, even after having it pointed out to him that many people were insulted by the remark, he won't accept that it was insulting.

I'm not saying anyone should agree that he doesn't care about the poor. I'm not saying he doesn't care about the poor either. I am saying that whether he does or doesn't, isn't the point as far as I'm concerned. The point, to me, is that many, including me, find the remark insulting, and he hasn't acknowledged how it makes us feel.

By simply explaining what he really meant, all he is doing is telling me what I already know. I know he didn't mean it that way, but the remark, as worded, is still insulting. It's that the fact that many of us are insulted by it that he isn't acknowledging. It's as if he's saying we don't have any reason or right to feel insulted. Well we do, and we disagree. We feel we do have the right to feel insulted, and by simply rewording what he meant, which a lot of us already know anyway, all he's doing is invalidating how we feel about the wording itself. It was a poor choice of words, and he should have admitted that.

I'm not telling you or anyone else to agree with me. I'm only stating how I feel about the situation. I feel as I do because of his choice of words. I think it says a lot about him that is far from flattering that all he's done so far is dance around what to me was an obvious gaff. I can't respect anyone that can't admit to making a mistake, especially when it's a mistake that could have been made up for so easily by a simple apology. To simply deny that he meant what he so clearly said, just makes it worse. It's as if he's saying, "You shouldn't have taken it that way." Sorry Mitt, but we did, and you said it. It doesn't matter that you didn't mean it. You said it and all you need to do is admit it, apologize and move on. But he hasn't. And that is what makes the situation a genuine black mark on his reputation for a great may people. Not the fact that he said what he said, as much as the fact that he just denies the validly of how it made a lot of people feel.

I don't understand why it's so damned hard for some politicians to just step back from their pedestals and admit that they sometimes say very stupid things. I have a lot of respect for those that are willing to apologize instead of just defending every word they say no matter who or how many take exception to it.

I didn't put it in context to get you to agree. I didn't put in context because I didn't think you had bothered to read it.

I put it in context because you said (and many commentators are also saying), "They're taking it out of context." I'm not taking it out of context. Even IN context, the remarks are insulting to me.


Okay I understand now.



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02 Feb 2012, 7:12 pm

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Okay I understand now.


Oh, cool! :D


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02 Feb 2012, 7:13 pm

I can see how this has been taken out of context and exploited even though I am not a Republican. Romney meant there is nothing for the middle class, just like there isn't much for people who are only a little bit impaired, people like me. What exist are safety nets for the ones considered the most extreme while everyone else is left to fend for themselves.
I agree with Romney on this. Give people who aren't at the absolute end of the scale some support, too.



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02 Feb 2012, 9:16 pm

I been in the "safety net" of the poor when I was getting 425 a month in disability while going to college ( I cant work and go to school at the same time), my rent was 325 and that was subtisized housing, my utilities took up the remaining 100 dollars and I recieved 120 in food stamps per month. Usually I would be out of food by the middle of the month and my boyfriend or my mom had to drive 2 hours to buy me groceries. If there was something come up like books or art supplies (I was an art, psych major...I wanna be an art therapist) then I would would have to borrow money. Thankfully I had a full scholarship due to high grades, but if I did not have family or a boyfriend willing to travel , then I would have starved. One time I had a leak and ask the appt manager to fix it before I went on vacation, I later discovered that he fixed the day before I came back. However I got stuck with a 150 dollar water bill, and the appt manager moved out and was replaced with another person who denied any responcibility in paying this. I was unable to pay that amount, so they charged me with a penality and before long, my bill was 264 dollars, half of my monthly income. I had to take out a loan to pay for my water bill. I had no room for error in my budget.
I could not run the heater or A/C when in Georgia, it can get up in the 100's in the summer time. They have heating assistance, but I never used it cuz it never gets cold enough for heating assistance. But they dont have A/c assistance, but I needed it because I have a seizure disorder which extreeme heat can trigger seizures, mine are life threatening.
I didn't drive or owned a car. I rode my bike 20 miles round trip to school, perfected the art of balancing a months worth of groceries on the handle bars of a bicycle. My biggest public meltdown was when I was riding back from the store and the clerk did not double bag them and a few bags broke....I was totally overwhelmed as to how I was going to my months worth of food home. I then nutted up and strarting throwing my groceries all along the side of the road in a screaming fit. :oops: Luckily a friend happened to see me and pulled over, got my bike and bagless groceries in the car and he drove me home. Of course teasing me half the way...saying I saw some chic on a bike throwing a fit on the side of the road and I knew that had to be you.
If I was not for trying to go to college, I would have worked...it would have been easier, but I cant handle the stress of working and college. It takes me alot longer to study than most people because of learning disabilities and cognitive problems with information retrieval.

If I did not have people in my life that love me, I would have easily fell through the holes in the safety net.

When my mom first dropped me off at college, she bought me food and then bought me 8 jars of peanut butter. I told her Why are you buying me peanut butter, I hate that stuff. She just said, trust me...it will come in handy.
There were a number of times I called mom saying, "Mom, I been eating peanut butter for 4 days, and so is the dog."
I rescued a dog that was beaten and had a badly broken leg. Mom took it to the vet and I had hide it for 4 months while I saved up the money for a 100 dollar pet deposit.
She also told me, I will not deprive you of the oppertunity to be poor. I came from an upper middle class family, and this experience has taught me compassion for those who are poor.

And Mitt thinks people on public assistance have it easy and dont suffer. Without people that loved me...I would have suffered alot.

Jojo


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02 Feb 2012, 10:40 pm

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No politician cares in reality. The poor make a good voter base for democrats and that's what precipitates this caring. As long as the politicians do little favors for the poor with the taxpayers money now and then and pay lip service to their plight then those votes will keep coming.
There's no NEED for a politician to care; just say nice things and toss them a table scrap once in a while and they've got the poor eating out of their hands .



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03 Feb 2012, 1:17 am

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I been in the "safety net" of the poor when I was getting 425 a month in disability while going to college ( I cant work and go to school at the same time), my rent was 325 and that was subtisized housing, my utilities took up the remaining 100 dollars and I recieved 120 in food stamps per month. Usually I would be out of food by the middle of the month and my boyfriend or my mom had to drive 2 hours to buy me groceries. If there was something come up like books or art supplies (I was an art, psych major...I wanna be an art therapist) then I would would have to borrow money. Thankfully I had a full scholarship due to high grades, but if I did not have family or a boyfriend willing to travel , then I would have starved. One time I had a leak and ask the appt manager to fix it before I went on vacation, I later discovered that he fixed the day before I came back. However I got stuck with a 150 dollar water bill, and the appt manager moved out and was replaced with another person who denied any responcibility in paying this. I was unable to pay that amount, so they charged me with a penality and before long, my bill was 264 dollars, half of my monthly income. I had to take out a loan to pay for my water bill. I had no room for error in my budget.
I could not run the heater or A/C when in Georgia, it can get up in the 100's in the summer time. They have heating assistance, but I never used it cuz it never gets cold enough for heating assistance. But they dont have A/c assistance, but I needed it because I have a seizure disorder which extreeme heat can trigger seizures, mine are life threatening.
I didn't drive or owned a car. I rode my bike 20 miles round trip to school, perfected the art of balancing a months worth of groceries on the handle bars of a bicycle. My biggest public meltdown was when I was riding back from the store and the clerk did not double bag them and a few bags broke....I was totally overwhelmed as to how I was going to my months worth of food home. I then nutted up and strarting throwing my groceries all along the side of the road in a screaming fit. :oops: Luckily a friend happened to see me and pulled over, got my bike and bagless groceries in the car and he drove me home. Of course teasing me half the way...saying I saw some chic on a bike throwing a fit on the side of the road and I knew that had to be you.
If I was not for trying to go to college, I would have worked...it would have been easier, but I cant handle the stress of working and college. It takes me alot longer to study than most people because of learning disabilities and cognitive problems with information retrieval.

If I did not have people in my life that love me, I would have easily fell through the holes in the safety net.

When my mom first dropped me off at college, she bought me food and then bought me 8 jars of peanut butter. I told her Why are you buying me peanut butter, I hate that stuff. She just said, trust me...it will come in handy.
There were a number of times I called mom saying, "Mom, I been eating peanut butter for 4 days, and so is the dog."
I rescued a dog that was beaten and had a badly broken leg. Mom took it to the vet and I had hide it for 4 months while I saved up the money for a 100 dollar pet deposit.
She also told me, I will not deprive you of the oppertunity to be poor. I came from an upper middle class family, and this experience has taught me compassion for those who are poor.

And Mitt thinks people on public assistance have it easy and dont suffer. Without people that loved me...I would have suffered alot.

Jojo



Mitt did say if there are holes, he will fix it.



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03 Feb 2012, 6:02 am

Meh, I've long since learned that the major difference between politicians these days is their rhetoric, so I don't particularly care what they say. Obama might talk a better game than Romney, but I don't know that the two of them would govern all that differently. Obama, after all, said he cared about things like civil liberties, government transparency and drug law reform, while in practice he's been worse than his predecessor on all those things. So again, I'm not reading a whole lot into anything any of these guys say.


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03 Feb 2012, 6:21 am

Of course not. that is the concern of Jesus.
Not that of the republicans who claim to follow him.


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03 Feb 2012, 7:53 am

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I just don't know who to vote for this time. There isn't anybody I like.

the prudent fallback position then, would be to vote for the person least likely to do you too much further damage, IOW vote for the least evil of two or more evils. it ain't a bouquet of flowers but it's still better than a dry-and-hacking cough, as they used to say in my late father's depression-era generation.



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03 Feb 2012, 8:04 am

those who say there isn't a dollar's worth of difference between the two parties willingly ignore the glaring fact that repubs NEVER would've been caught dead even thinking out loud about expanding affordable health care access to the working poor, or for eliminating the ridiculous military gay ban, or for taxing the big wheels at the same rate as the rest of us. the dems are gutless but, at least on the devil-or-angel scale, they tip the balance a bit closer to the side of the angels than the dark side party does. the dems were the only ones who pushed hard for these things so i must continue to vote for them. all this said, i would feel better about romney if he didn't cravenly try to hide his signature achievement, expanded health care access for mass. residents.



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jojobean wrote:
I been in the "safety net" of the poor when I was getting 425 a month in disability while going to college ( I cant work and go to school at the same time), my rent was 325 and that was subtisized housing, my utilities took up the remaining 100 dollars and I recieved 120 in food stamps per month. Usually I would be out of food by the middle of the month and my boyfriend or my mom had to drive 2 hours to buy me groceries. If there was something come up like books or art supplies (I was an art, psych major...I wanna be an art therapist) then I would would have to borrow money. Thankfully I had a full scholarship due to high grades, but if I did not have family or a boyfriend willing to travel , then I would have starved. One time I had a leak and ask the appt manager to fix it before I went on vacation, I later discovered that he fixed the day before I came back. However I got stuck with a 150 dollar water bill, and the appt manager moved out and was replaced with another person who denied any responcibility in paying this. I was unable to pay that amount, so they charged me with a penality and before long, my bill was 264 dollars, half of my monthly income. I had to take out a loan to pay for my water bill. I had no room for error in my budget.
I could not run the heater or A/C when in Georgia, it can get up in the 100's in the summer time. They have heating assistance, but I never used it cuz it never gets cold enough for heating assistance. But they dont have A/c assistance, but I needed it because I have a seizure disorder which extreeme heat can trigger seizures, mine are life threatening.
I didn't drive or owned a car. I rode my bike 20 miles round trip to school, perfected the art of balancing a months worth of groceries on the handle bars of a bicycle. My biggest public meltdown was when I was riding back from the store and the clerk did not double bag them and a few bags broke....I was totally overwhelmed as to how I was going to my months worth of food home. I then nutted up and strarting throwing my groceries all along the side of the road in a screaming fit. :oops: Luckily a friend happened to see me and pulled over, got my bike and bagless groceries in the car and he drove me home. Of course teasing me half the way...saying I saw some chic on a bike throwing a fit on the side of the road and I knew that had to be you.
If I was not for trying to go to college, I would have worked...it would have been easier, but I cant handle the stress of working and college. It takes me alot longer to study than most people because of learning disabilities and cognitive problems with information retrieval.

If I did not have people in my life that love me, I would have easily fell through the holes in the safety net.

When my mom first dropped me off at college, she bought me food and then bought me 8 jars of peanut butter. I told her Why are you buying me peanut butter, I hate that stuff. She just said, trust me...it will come in handy.
There were a number of times I called mom saying, "Mom, I been eating peanut butter for 4 days, and so is the dog."
I rescued a dog that was beaten and had a badly broken leg. Mom took it to the vet and I had hide it for 4 months while I saved up the money for a 100 dollar pet deposit.
She also told me, I will not deprive you of the oppertunity to be poor. I came from an upper middle class family, and this experience has taught me compassion for those who are poor.

And Mitt thinks people on public assistance have it easy and dont suffer. Without people that loved me...I would have suffered alot.

Jojo



Mitt did say if there are holes, he will fix it.


Given his attitudes about the poor and his history of mass-firing people, I believe when he says he doesnt care about the poor. Gotta watch those "I" statements, they are very telling.
Just because he says he will fix it, doesnt mean he will, Obama promised he would end domestic spy programs and within a few months of being in office, he funded them more than ever within the stimulus package.
George Bush Jr. promised he would start a national hope scholarship program (a scholarship program that that pays full tuition to state colleges and 3,000/semester towards private coleges for high school students that graduate with a B or higher GPA)....did that ever happen?? No...But he did screw up the budget to where it was not possible.
Bush Sr. promised no new taxes...we know how well that went.

You have to judge a candidate by their history and general attitudes rather than what they say. Sadly, they will say anything to get into office.

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03 Feb 2012, 1:54 pm

I just gotta slice and dice this a bit, there's a few things that need annotating here.

auntblabby wrote:
those who say there isn't a dollar's worth of difference between the two parties willingly ignore the glaring fact that repubs NEVER would've been caught dead even thinking out loud about expanding affordable health care access to the working poor


Unless they're Mitt Romney (which you do seem aware of) or the Republicans of the 90's who in fact drew up most of the blueprints for what would eventualy become Obamacare. Now to be fair, they were proposing it in order to head off Hillarycare, but it does put your statement to lie.

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or for eliminating the ridiculous military gay ban,


You mean the one that came from Bill Clinton? Did you know that some Republican Senators did in fact support the repeal of DADT?

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The Republican senators who voted yes on the repeal with the Democrats were Richard Burr of North Carolina, Mark Kirk of Illinois, John Ensign of Nevada, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, George Voinovich of Ohio, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, both of Maine

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/12 ... z1lLTUNFBz



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or for taxing the big wheels at the same rate as the rest of us.


There are plenty of Republicans who want to tax everyone the same at an across the board lower rate, but that's probably not what you meant.

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the dems are gutless but, at least on the devil-or-angel scale, they tip the balance a bit closer to the side of the angels than the dark side party does. the dems were the only ones who pushed hard for these things so i must continue to vote for them. all this said, i would feel better about romney if he didn't cravenly try to hide his signature achievement, expanded health care access for mass. residents.


I would correct that to the things the Dems say seem more appealing, but once in office the differences melt away for the most part. Neither party is homogenous, there are plenty of outliers and oddballs in each of them, but the rank and file don't have nearly as much daylight showing between them as their rhetoric would seem to indicate. As long as you give into the fear mongering and feel that you "have" to vote for them you're powerless; why would they do anything for you if they know you're never going to vote against them out of fear of the Repubs?

Personally, I'm looking at a third party this year, and my vote comes out of the Obama column as I voted for him last time and refuse to be hoodwinked by the man twice, and am not fooled by the "lesser evil" fear-mongering. I doubt the country would be much better or worse off in any appreciable way if McCain had won in '08, so the prospect of a Romney administration isn't exactly frightening to me.


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