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02 Feb 2012, 10:06 pm

So is Belladonna and Oleander but would you eat the leaves?

Honey is a good alternative to sugar but the best way to combat sugar cravings is with fruit. It stops the cravings, eventually.



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02 Feb 2012, 10:30 pm

If YOU don't think sugar is good for YOU then don't YOU eat it. If you need the government to hold your hand then there's not much hope for you.
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02 Feb 2012, 10:45 pm

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What we need to do is get rid of the FDA.

So who would regulate drugs?

The best way to revolt against a greedy, irresponsible food industry is to buy local, buy organic. Find a farmers' market and process your own food. It's not hard, just a different way of doing things. I make everything from scratch and probably spend less time in my kitchen than I would in a fast food line or drive through. We eat very well. We also grow some of our own vegetables.

I make most things from scratch myself, and living in the country there are always local fresh produce around and also local meat. However, farmers don't take food stamps so I'm stuck with the grocery store.

If you want something not available in your area, you can order it online, just make sure you know who you're ordering from. I often Google the seller's address and "drive by" their business on Google maps. There's also Google Earth for checking on places that say they're a farm. (I buy almonds online from a farm 300 miles north of where I live. I looked them up on Google Earth and saw that they were indeed a farm. Then I found local news articles about the family that runs the farm.)

Again, food stamps. Also, even if they did take food stamps, they would likely be more expensive than what is in the store. Feeding a family of five costs a bundle. I have to go as cheaply as possible and keep it as healthy as possible. That's why I cook from scratch. We rarely have convenience foods. Maybe twice a month, or if I am sick or we have had an emergency and I didn't have time to cook.

I don't use much sugar. I mostly use local honey and stevia. (I also grow my own stevia.) I think of refined sugar as a drug because it alters your mood and makes you want more, but it does make anything taste better, so good luck legislating it out of existence.


We use sugar. Granulated, powdered, light brown and dark brown. We also use honey. Nobody here likes the artificial sweeteners much. I don't see much of a point in buying it if it won't get eaten.


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04 Feb 2012, 4:02 pm

I actually used to own a farmers' market. There was a fed govt. program that farmers markets could take advantage of, as well as farmers that form a co-op where we could take food stamps.

You might find out about the program, see if it's available to those in your area and suggest it to your favorite farmers' market.


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04 Feb 2012, 5:33 pm

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I actually used to own a farmers' market. There was a fed govt. program that farmers markets could take advantage of, as well as farmers that form a co-op where we could take food stamps.

You might find out about the program, see if it's available to those in your area and suggest it to your favorite farmers' market.


The type of farmers market we have around here is where they just park their trucks by the side of a road that a lot of people go down, open the tailgate, and hang a piece of cardboard on the side of the truck with what they are selling and the price written in big letters in a black marker. It's usually a guy or his wife sitting by the truck in a lawn chair.

In Birmingham there were a couple of farmers markets. We just don't have that here. There is one vegetable stand up near the elementary school, but it's this one lady who sells what her husband grows in their big garden and also concrete bird baths and such. She doesn't take credit cards or checks, it's cash only. So I doubt she would want anything to do with a program like that. Lots of people who sell stuff by the side of the road aren't big farmers, they just have good size gardens and grow stuff for themselves and a some extra to sell that way. It's mostly by the side of the road sales here. Theres a spot about a half mile up from me by the four way stop that's just a big empty grass lot. People park there and sell vegetables and they also have a lot of yard sales there when the weather is nice. There are no permits required for anything like that, so nothing has to be reported and probably isn't. If they got into a food stamp program they would have to report it. They are struggeling as it is, they don't want to make it more difficult. They are probably on food stamps themselves. Most in this town are, even those of us in the nice new neighborhoods.

For things like meat and eggs, it's just word of mouth. People have who raise food cattle let it be known and you can buy some from them when they butcher. You have to buy a decent quantity though and that requires a freezer. For things like chicken and eggs, there are a few local people who raise chickens and have laying hens. It's for themselves and to sell some, just like all the others I've mentioned. There is usually a handmade sign in front that says what they have. Cash only there too. You go to the door and knock and ask them if they have what you want. If they do you can buy it, if not then come back tomorrow or whenever they tell you to. Buying eggs and meat in this town is a lot like buying drugs lol!

Most of the bigger farmers and ranchers live out. They usually have an arrangement about where they will take there stuff to sell it. Some of the smaller farmers do put some of their produce up by the register in convenience stores and all, but it's cash too because it goes directly to them with the store taking their cut. I also doubt that's reported.

The closest real farmers market, like you are talking about, is about 60 miles away. That wouldn't really work for me. I usually walk up to the Piggely Wiggely and get my vegetables early in the day after Mr Wayne has just gotten back with them. He takes food stamps, and he does buy local from some of the bigger farmers. He goes and gets his daily stock himself in his truck. So, what I get from the Piggely Wiggely is the same as what would be sold in a local farmers market if we had one. Mr Paul at Save More gets his brought in from somewhere by truck. His aren't ever all that good, but his meat is better. I get my vegetables from the Piggely Wiggely, my meat and milk from Save More, and everything else from Wal Mart. I get my paper and cleaning products from the Dollar General. That is where each of those things is cheapest.


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04 Feb 2012, 5:42 pm

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This whole "War on Obesity" crap is getting ridiculous.


Our government is operated by people who could not run a soft drink stand at a profit. And we are supposed to let them determine what we can eat and drink?

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04 Feb 2012, 6:15 pm

Considering that the nation has more pressing issues to deal with, perhaps we should start regulating politicians and bureacrats!



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04 Feb 2012, 6:28 pm

The problem with nutrition in the U.S. is that it's full of crap. You've heard of trans fats, or partially hydrogenated oils? This is superheated vegetable oil using the same process they use to make plastic, they just don't go all the way with "food grade" hydrogenation. They warp the molecules inside out using superheated metals (because oil can't get this hot otherwise) so the liquid takes on a solid form, like margarine or shortening. At this point, it's no longer nourishing food but anti-oxidant poison. The food makers like to put it in their foods, even if the food doesn't need any fat at all, because it extends the shelf life by eons. Cha-ching!

Imagine all that poison fat that's been going into your body all these years, little by little. It's probably still there, eh? This has only recently become a topic for public discussion. I stopped eating foods with trans fats 20 years ago. My roommate's mother knew about this over 50 years ago. Do you think the food makers knew about it? YES, yet they hushed it up and continued for DECADES.

Trans Fats have been outlawed in Denmark for over 2 decades. Pig farmers won't feed it to their pigs because it kills them before they can get them to market.

Read your labels. If you don't know a word, don't put it in your mouth until you do and you're sure it's something you want in your body.

Remember the Food Pyramid and other FDA food recommendations that we're all supposed to believe? This one of many extortion schemes invented by the FDA to get millions in pay-offs from the food industry. I remember when Milk was on top of the list. That's because the Milk lobby paid a bunch of money to the FDA to get themselves up there. Sugar paid so they could get on the list. Eggs didn't pay for a few years so they got the bum rap for causing all the high cholesterol problems when really grains are the main culprit.

The whole thing is based on who contributes the most funding to the agency. It's all a big buy off. You're better off watching Oprah or Dr. Oz for your health tips than relying on the Federal Government.


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04 Feb 2012, 6:31 pm

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Considering that the nation has more pressing issues to deal with, perhaps we should start regulating politicians and bureacrats!



Register to vote.


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04 Feb 2012, 6:44 pm

I'm not for the regulation for most things, because once it is, it's goodbye! Because I can also see eating a lot of sugar as a vice, so if they plan on taking away that, they need to think of something people can put in it's place, or taking away something that causes stress. Working 32-40 hour a week impersonal, mundane, stressful jobs that barely let people scrap by doesn't help.


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04 Feb 2012, 7:11 pm

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Considering that the nation has more pressing issues to deal with, perhaps we should start regulating politicians and bureacrats!
Term limits would take care of that


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04 Feb 2012, 7:23 pm

I don't use margerine, I use butter. I do use shortening though. I put it in biscuits, it's one of the main ingredients in buttercream frosting, and I fry chicken and pork chops in it. The rest of the time I use vegetable oil.


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04 Feb 2012, 7:33 pm

Oh, bloody hell.
It's called 'self control", or in the case of children, "parenting".
For f***s sake.


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04 Feb 2012, 8:15 pm

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Oh, bloody hell.
It's called 'self control", or in the case of children, "parenting".
For f**** sake.


I agree, completely, however... most people don't know enough to eat properly. Nutritional education is almost nonexistent in schools that serve tons of cheese and white bread in their cafeterias.

They've all but taken home economics out of schools and parents work, so often the evening meal is microwaved or take out. Very few people even know how to cook anymore.

What should be more fairly regulated are the chemicals and additives the food processors put in their products. Real Science should be observed over the almighty buck. Farmers should implement integrated pest management practices and stop killing everything, eventually humans, with their pesticides.

Instead, Monsanto, Big Pharma, Nabisco, etc... all the cheaters, end up running the country. It's called corporatocracy.


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04 Feb 2012, 8:17 pm

unduki wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Oh, bloody hell.
It's called 'self control", or in the case of children, "parenting".
For f**** sake.


I agree, completely, however... most people don't know enough to eat properly. Nutritional education is almost nonexistent in schools that serve tons of cheese and white bread in their cafeterias.



Maybe they should bring nutritional education back. It's not so difficult that most people couldn't be taught. I knew what good nutrition was even before school age.


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04 Feb 2012, 10:38 pm

skyblue1 wrote:
Longshanks wrote:
Considering that the nation has more pressing issues to deal with, perhaps we should start regulating politicians and bureacrats!
Term limits would take care of that


Amen to that!