Wikileaks: Israel already destroyed Iran's nuclear facility

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29 Feb 2012, 8:43 am

The source comes from a single email out of five million hacked from Stratfor, a private security news firm started in 1996.

The emails were hacked by anonymous and published by wikileaks, there is no 'evidence' to speak of, just idle speculation in a single internal email between private security analysts.

The email claims that the leaders of the EU are attempting to cause a war between the US and Iran to distract from financial problems in the EU.

There are a number of problems with this theory:

1- The only country in the EU that supported the Iraq adventure has had repeated inquiries into it and thinks Tony Blair lied to parliment, quite a lot of Brits would like to see Blair sent to the Hague as a war criminal. The British people have no appetite a war with Iran.
2- The rest of Europe voted against the war with Iraq and the lesson learned in Europe from that escapade is that the US & Britain were wrong and Europe was right not support the war.
3- France and Germany both have lots of trade with Iran, war would hardly be a good thing for their economies.


Who ever wrote the email has precisely zero understanding of European politics or sentiment and seems to view the world through the very limited imagination of an American neocon hawk.


I'm very dubious that the Israeli part of the email is any more realistic than the rest of it... :roll:



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29 Feb 2012, 8:45 am

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The emails were hacked by anonymous and published by wikileaks, there is no 'evidence' to speak of, just idle speculation in a single internal email between private security analysts.

BS, then.


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29 Feb 2012, 11:37 am

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What does not exist cannot be destroyed.

What does exist and scares people is mineral deposits, third largest source of oil, and large Uranium deposits. Electric power is very exportable.

As no one in the region has Atomic Power, They get their electric from burning gas and oil, little coal in the area. When that becomes expensive, electric power is power.

The reactors are the latest of Russian designed and built. The first is up and running, with plans for fifty more. That is more than France.

Regional markets are large, Turky, Egypt, Pakistan, India, Syria, Iraq has constant blackouts, Afganistan, and from there China. Russia can be paid in power.

Iran's part is mining and producing fuel rods. They not only have that technology working, they are building huge. The only other players are India, Russia, China, and linking the grids, electric power can be wheeled at the speed of light.

Electric power is the end goal of coal, oil, and soon transport. Cars, but also high speed trains.

Iran is spending it's oil income on the future of power.

The second reason is, western powers want to run a pipeline through Afganistan, Pakistan, to load the oil from Central Asia, The Stans, on ships, where Russia and Iran would also like a pipeline, that connects to China.

China gets its oil by sea, very easy to shut down. A pipe and power line over land is more dependable.

There is a trillion dollar mineral deposit in Afganistan. The Chinese got the mining concession. It is a lot of Copper, but also Lithium, Rare Earths, and must be transported back to China for processing.

A rail line north is shortest.

After ten years in Afganistan, our Officers are not safe in highly secure buildings in Kabul. The Taliban does not attack the Chinese interests, but they do blow up Pakistan.

So the Americans are leaving, the government is a drug dealing Pakistan puppet, that will not last a week. Pakistan could fall, and they do have the bomb.

Iraq has a Iran favoring government, The Saudi favoring faction is in hiding. Same faction who produced Saddam, made war on Iran. He was an evil dictator, he oppressed his people, so America killed 100,000 so they are no longer oppressed.

America lost, and the hangover is owing China $2 Trillion. If we were a billion, we would owe China $2,000 each, so $6,000, but only half work, illegals will not pay, so we each owe China about $15,000.

That is more than our Net Worth per person.

So there is nothing left but having Israel start World War III, for God.

Other than that we would have to raise taxes, reduce war spending, and God does not allow such things.

A Billion Islamic, another of Hindus, another of Chinese, must see their error, and convert to The One True Faith.

Better you were all dead than Congress and the rest of government having to take a 50% pay cut, and live on the same Social Security and Medicare as the rest of us.

Jesus said, "Unto Caesar what is Caesar's, unto God what is God's," Caesar wants the material world, God wants your soul, so die.

If we make it to the Fall, Vote, like you were on the Jury.

There must be 1,000 sane people left. Elect them.


I have heard that their nuke program was for power, until they said they were in fact developing a weapon. I think they were pushed into that. I like Ron Paul's stance on Iran...which is the soviets had thousands of nukes, we managed to talk ourselves out of that one....Iran has 1 nuke and the whole world is ready to go to war. I however dont like Paul's idea of reducing govt. down to a wad and flushing it down the toilet.
I find it interesting that some countries are allowed to have nukes...and others are not. Countries with oil cant have nukes apparently.
I agree we need to vote like we are on a jury panel....I vote for Oprah....get enough write-ins and she has to fill the spot. I dont think we are organized enough as a nation's underclass to pull that off.
No body like Romney, yet he is winning :huh: why is that?? He is all gung ho about going to war with Iran. That warhorse is chomping the bit to go to war. War with Iran is stupid....they be the big dog of the middle east. War with Iran is war with the whole region.

I dont know for sure if that article is legit, be nice though, but in a world of smoke and mirrors...I have not a clue whats really going on. I do get weariful wary of the sound of the war drums.

Jojo

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29 Feb 2012, 11:50 am

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The source comes from a single email out of five million hacked from Stratfor, a private security news firm started in 1996.

The emails were hacked by anonymous and published by wikileaks, there is no 'evidence' to speak of, just idle speculation in a single internal email between private security analysts.

The email claims that the leaders of the EU are attempting to cause a war between the US and Iran to distract from financial problems in the EU.

There are a number of problems with this theory:

1- The only country in the EU that supported the Iraq adventure has had repeated inquiries into it and thinks Tony Blair lied to parliment, quite a lot of Brits would like to see Blair sent to the Hague as a war criminal. The British people have no appetite a war with Iran.
2- The rest of Europe voted against the war with Iraq and the lesson learned in Europe from that escapade is that the US & Britain were wrong and Europe was right not support the war.
3- France and Germany both have lots of trade with Iran, war would hardly be a good thing for their economies.


Who ever wrote the email has precisely zero understanding of European politics or sentiment and seems to view the world through the very limited imagination of an American neocon hawk.


I'm very dubious that the Israeli part of the email is any more realistic than the rest of it... :roll:


You more likely to be right, thank you for clarifying.

Sometimes Rawstory can be like like that, but its a gamble with them. Sometimes they address issues like NDAA that MSM has yet to really discuss. In fact most americans dont know about it and think Obama is a swell guy. Some say everything that includes US citizens have been taken out, then explain why there are a number of lawsuits building to declare it unconstitutional if it is not a threat.

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29 Feb 2012, 11:55 am

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No, I'd have to Google it.


MAD was first proposed in the 1970s (I think) and describes the state of relations between two parties armed with nuclear weapons. Both sides take the diplomatic high-ground and say "we will not be the first to launch nukes, but if you fire even one at us we will turn your country into a nuclear wasteland". It is, arguably, the reason the USA and USSR didn't graduate from Cold to Hot War, but is also the reason both countries had such huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons.



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29 Feb 2012, 3:26 pm

Dear Great Successor Kim "Young One"

We had a little "accident" and we need some more of your centrifuges. We have some oil to trade.

Love and kisses,

President Mahmoud "I'm-a-dinner-jacket."


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29 Feb 2012, 3:41 pm

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The only country to actually use nuclear weapons.


And that was more than enough.



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29 Feb 2012, 6:23 pm

In the 80s, Iran suffered an estimated 400,000 dead and something like 500billion down the toilet in a brutal eight year war started by their neighbours. I would imagine with that as a background a bomb would be a tempting thing to have as a detterent.



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01 Mar 2012, 2:34 pm

When Cuba lacked any means of stoping a US invasion, the CCCP supplied them with a deterent. All they could give in return was some sugar, and some fine cigars.

Iran has a 52" oil pipeline into Russia, a natural gas pipeline, and this finds it's way to most of Europe. They are building a natural gas pipeline to Pakistan. They are India's and China's main oil supplier.

America, Japan, England, Australia get their's from the Saudis by boat, through the Persian Gulf. A act of war will turn it into a minefield.

No longer the spiked metal contact mines, all plastic, and hunter mines, that move about, and seek targets by sound. Chinese made, and they know what an aircraft carrier sounds like.

A second level of defense would be a Chernoble attack, dirty bomb the production and shipping. Iran has the means to do this. It will still be there, in a hundred years.

The attack on Syria is the proposed pipeline for Saudi oil to the new Israel oil port. The freedom loving activists with sniper rifles and anti tank weapons have failed to gather any local support.

So far they have the support of the World Congress of London and Paris Syrian cab drivers, who claim to be the rightful government of Syria. They also have the support of Al Kiada.

Being deserters who stole weapons and used them to kill their fellow soldiers, they now demand to be tried in Europe, not just captured and given a bullet in the back of the head.

The Syrian Army claims that it falls under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, tratiors who deserted, stole weapons, used them in combat, are terrorists, and they follow the Bush Doctrine, "Terrorist do not get trials, they get dealt with."

The Russian Navel Base is a sign of a mutual defense treaty.

It is the same as Baharian, where the US has a Navel Base, and when the people protested having a King, appointed by the English, the Saudi King, also English appointed, sent in his army.

Syria and Iran do hold elections. The Kings of Arabia do not, except in Yemen, where there was only one man running. He is not a King, just the VP of the last President for life.

It is an election year, and the Republicans are losing, their best chance is start a war, it got Bush a second term.

Things are not looking good for the Sultanate of Halliburton.



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01 Mar 2012, 3:36 pm

Have the Iranians said anything about Israel having destroyed their manufacturing of a nuclear bomb? I would expect at the very least to see Iran close the Straight of Hormuz, along with an escalation of terror attacks against both Israel and America.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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01 Mar 2012, 4:53 pm

Anybody even see the link offered in one of the comments?

http://www.russellburgos.com/2012/02/he ... atfor.html

The conclusion of this article pretty much sums it up.

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Among other things, that would've been an awful lot of commando raids that nobody seems to have noticed in a part of the world that an awful lot of people are paying attention to.


Not a bad editorial IMHO.


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01 Mar 2012, 5:04 pm

I'm a fan of wikileaks and Julian Assange. Logically I actually believe this leak because it's the opposite of "if it's to good to be true, it usually isn't" but this is reverse psychology. Stranger things have happened.



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01 Mar 2012, 8:54 pm

shrox wrote:
Sokar wrote:
The only country to actually use nuclear weapons.


And that was more than enough.


If we did not have the A-bomb back then we would have used poison gas and biologicals, both of which were authorized by President Truman. The death toll in Japan would have been much higher. As ironic as it sounds, the A-bomb saved Japan from total destruction.

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01 Mar 2012, 8:59 pm

More importantly, the bomb saved Japan from suffering the same fate as Korea and being divided between the USSR and USA.



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04 Mar 2012, 2:10 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Have the Iranians said anything about Israel having destroyed their manufacturing of a nuclear bomb? I would expect at the very least to see Iran close the Straight of Hormuz, along with an escalation of terror attacks against both Israel and America.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Iran has been quite open about it. We allowed inspectors in, let them speak with the top people involved, let them inspect any sites, then based on that information, terrorists blew up key places, our computers were attacked, and our key people murdered.

Now you would like another list of targets?

We will give you one, our Russian designed and built power plant that has just been loaded with fuel, and is on line producing power.

It would be the first attack on a working reactor, it would not be the last.

Iran is the entire north shore of the Persian Gulf, Such an unprovoked act of war would activate the coastal defenses, mining the Gulf, Mines cleared today, can be replaced tonight.

In a War Zone, following an Undeclared Act of War, it is a legal defense under world law. It will be publically declared, this area closed to all ships till further notice.

Any other attacks on Iran will activate other defenses. Any base or platform used to attack becomes a target.

Expect the Russian Air Force enforcing a no fly zone.

The Chinese Navy is building a base in Pakistan, at the mouth of the Persian Gulf.

So a Chicago Gangster took over a chess game started by a Texas Cowboy, being played with the Persians, and the Russians.

There is an American army trapped in Afganistan, and their supplies come through Russia.

Putin, the once and future President.

Your move.



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04 Mar 2012, 2:17 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Have the Iranians said anything about Israel having destroyed their manufacturing of a nuclear bomb? I would expect at the very least to see Iran close the Straight of Hormuz, along with an escalation of terror attacks against both Israel and America.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Iran has been quite open about it. We allowed inspectors in, let them speak with the top people involved, let them inspect any sites, then based on that information, terrorists blew up key places, our computers were attacked, and our key people murdered.

Now you would like another list of targets?

We will give you one, our Russian designed and built power plant that has just been loaded with fuel, and is on line producing power.

It would be the first attack on a working reactor, it would not be the last.

Iran is the entire north shore of the Persian Gulf, Such an unprovoked act of war would activate the coastal defenses, mining the Gulf, Mines cleared today, can be replaced tonight.

In a War Zone, following an Undeclared Act of War, it is a legal defense under world law. It will be publically declared, this area closed to all ships till further notice.

Any other attacks on Iran will activate other defenses. Any base or platform used to attack becomes a target.

Expect the Russian Air Force enforcing a no fly zone.

The Chinese Navy is building a base in Pakistan, at the mouth of the Persian Gulf.

So a Chicago Gangster took over a chess game started by a Texas Cowboy, being played with the Persians, and the Russians.

There is an American army trapped in Afganistan, and their supplies come through Russia.

Putin, the once and future President.

Your move.


Absolutely.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer