Meanwhile in Holland... grand pedophile case in progress

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What's his excuse, that his lust was "uncontrollable"? Why is it that those with uncontrollable impulses when it comes to crime always seem to demonstrate self-control until the opportunity presents itself?

While it's not popular to say, there is actually more recidivism with drug addicts released from prison than there is among pedophiles who have served their time - if they undergo therapy.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

A bullet to the back of the head is quicker and cheaper.

ruveyn

Why? So he can waste taxpayers money for the rest of his life? A guy like this will never be able to do anything in society. Keeping him alive is a waste of time and money for everyone concerned.

There are also better ways to get your kicks than feeling superior to people who are understandably upset about someone who raped and traumatized 87 infants and toddlers (probably even more), and whose youngest victim was only 19 days old (link).

I wouldn't want to see this person tortured or killed. But I certainly condemn him, and I don't understand how anyone could not condemn him for his unspeakable crimes against children. While it's not his fault that he had sick and abusive fantasies, he can certainly be faulted for acting them out. Everyone has antisocial urges every once in a while, but there is no excuse whatsoever for giving in to them. Not even insanity. And I highly doubt that this person was insane / psychotic. Psychotic individuals aren't fully aware of what they are doing and don't plan their actions, but Mikelson meticulously planned his crimes.

He did research on the locations where he would work as a babysitter and checked for things like thick curtains. He wore baggy trousers to work that allowed him to hide erections and things like lubricants. He specifically targeted children who were too young to talk to their parents about what happened to them. He broadcasted the abuse via webcam, recorded videos and photos, and anonymized his online activities when he distributed the material. He even attempted to adopt a child. Those weren't the compulsive actions of a deranged and psychotic mind, but the ruthless and calculated crimes of a monstrous and utterly inhuman but nonetheless fully functional intellect. (link 1,link 2,link 3).

I wish I hadn't read deeper into this. Now I feel sick and depressed.

It's not a matter of "kicks" it's a matter of removing someone like that from the face of the earth for what they've done and what they may do again.
Think of it as flushing the toilet.

I'm upset that it happened. I'm also upset that people seem to spontaneously turn into cavemen whenever an insane person commits a horrific crime. There is no contradiction here.



I think that you are betraying yourself with this post. You obviously get satisfaction out of the idea of killing him. If you really want to "remove him" from society, then put him in a mental institution for the rest of his life.



There are lots of people on this site who will never "do anything in society", and live off welfare, due to their Asperger's or autism. Are they a "waste of time and money"?

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Last time I checked none of those people on this site have made a habit of raping infants for their own pleasure and the pleasure of others. That's just a SLIGHT difference between him and them don't you agree?

You gave CrazyCatLord credit for what I said.
I don't know how I betrayed myself with my post. Putting him in an institution is not necessarily going to be for life. Whatever the current law may be, theoretically someone that has been institutionalized has potential for recovery at least by some standard. That being the case he could potentially be released. You can't release a dead person and in the meantime the state doesn't get burdened with providing three hots and a cot in addition to other care he'd be entitled to while in custody.
Do you have as much compassion for the victims and their families as you do for this parasitic predator???

In the first quote, you clearly imply that the reason that people are not killed by the state is the possibility that they might someday "do something in society". But in the second quote, you clearly imply that the reason you think he should be killed by the state is that he has committed a horrible crime. Which is it?



I have so much compassion for them that I even think that they are people who might have their own opinions. By probability, it is almost certain that many of the victims have similar opinions to me on this matter. Especially since they are Dutch.

Talking about "compassion for the victims" in order to defend the death penalty is self-serving. What you mean is, "compassion for how the victims would feel if they were sensible people like me". It's like how cowardly politicians will say that being anti-war is terrible because we must "support the troops", even though armies are full of people who have anti-war views.

Both. A lot of people do nothing for their lives, either for good or ill. However, this man has already done great evil and has no hope of every bringing any thing good in to this world, so why should he be allowed to live?

So it's like a balance sheet? If it can be predicted that a person will not have a positive balance sheet by the end of their life, then the state ought to kill them? You can't possibly believe that. What makes you so sure that you will have a positive balance at the end of your life? What great thing have you achieved for humanity?

A good reason is not required in order to justify the state not killing someone. A good reason is required in order to justify the state killing someone. There is no good reason for the state to kill somebody if they are in custody and not likely to escape.

So, what your arguing is that a man who has done atrocious things should live out the rest of his days in relative comfort at other peoples expense... that makes very little sense.

Can you name any thing that he might (realistically) do that could possibly balance out ruining so many lives? You haven't given a single reason for him to be kept alive other than some mumbo jumbo.

How much expense? Not all that much, I suspect. A human life and the self-respect of a society is worth than whatever it takes to keep him in custody.



It's like I'm talking to an alien. You don't need a reason to be kept alive. You need a reason to be killed. Saving a bit of money is not a good reason to kill someone. What would you think of a murderer who murders someone in order to save a bit of money? Why is it different if the state does it?

If someone walked up to and killed a guy like this, I'd shake his hand. I don't care if it's someone the state sent or the father of one the children this man molested. You're still COMPLETELY failing to see what this man has done it seems. He destroyed those childs lives, over 80 children are going to grow up with mental scars that will never go away because of this man. What more reason do you need to kill him? What justification do YOU have for keeping him alive? A guilty conscience? xD

There is no death penalty in the Netherlands so it's a moot point in this case.
Nonetheless, I still find it disturbing that someone would be willing to protect the worse kind of predator.......