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18 May 2012, 8:47 pm

Of course it won't and the fact that I am a IRA supporter will not either. But to say that the majority of Irishmen and women are as happy with the UK as you claim is not as true as you would think.



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18 May 2012, 8:51 pm

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Of course it won't and the fact that I am a IRA supporter will not either.


That's what the IRA (and other murder gangs) did to innocent people. They abducted people and murdered them. Some of these were police officers, others were army people, yet more were ordinary members of the public (there are several cases of random members of the public being opened fire on), one case was that of a disabled child that was kidnapped from his school, interrogated, tortured and left to die, others were pensioners in a hotel who were burnt alive.

Vile, vile people. The forces of law and order held the line against the sort of vermin that you support. Criminals, thugs, violent men, sadists, people who want to hurt others for fun.

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But to say that the majority of Irishmen and women are as happy with the UK as you claim is not as true as you would think.


No, I didn't say that - pay attention.

I said that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland are happy being in the UK. This is democracy.



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18 May 2012, 8:57 pm

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Joker wrote:
Of course it won't and the fact that I am a IRA supporter will not either.


That's what the IRA (and other murder gangs) did to innocent people. They abducted people and murdered them. Some of these were police officers, others were army people, yet more were ordinary members of the public (there are several cases of random members of the public being opened fire on), one case was that of a disabled child that was kidnapped from his school, interrogated, tortured and left to die, others were pensioners who were burnt alive.

Vile, vile people. The forces of law and order held the line against the sort of vermin that you support. Criminals, thugs, violent men, sadists, people who want to hurt others for fun.


So when it happens to you it is a diffrent story right? Their would have never been a IRA if their was no 800 years of oppression of irishmen and women.



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18 May 2012, 9:00 pm

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So when it happens to you it is a diffrent story right?


I condemn all terrorists from all sides.

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Their would have never been a IRA if their was no 800 years of oppression of irishmen and women.


It's not even worth arguing with you. Catholics certainly did have a point that they were being discriminated against in the Northern Irish state, however I rather suspect that the necessary changes would have been far quicker and less painful in coming had the hotheads on both sides not circled the wagons and if O'Neill could stave off the extremists.

I'm an admirer of Terence O'Neill. If Northern Ireland had men like him running the place from 1922, there would have been far, far less aggro and bloodshed.



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18 May 2012, 9:06 pm

I think it all went sour when Michael Colins though I admire him signed the Anglo-Irish Treaty. Collins concluded that the Treaty offered Ireland "the freedom to achieve freedom." Nonetheless, he knew that the treaty, and in particular the issue of partition, would not be well received in Ireland. Upon signing the treaty, he remarked "I have signed my own death warrant."



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18 May 2012, 9:22 pm

Tequila wrote:
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So when it happens to you it is a diffrent story right?


I condemn all terrorists from all sides.


+1

Joker you know am a mainstream Welsh nationalist, there's peaceful ways of getting the message across.
Am happy there's peace in both parts of Ireland, just let the peace continue. :wink:

Now do you see me siding with the likes of Y Gweriniaethwyr, Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru, Byddin Rhyddid Cymru, Meibion Glyndŵr, and the Welsh Socialist Republican Army; NO!


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18 May 2012, 9:28 pm

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Tequila wrote:
Joker wrote:
So when it happens to you it is a diffrent story right?


I condemn all terrorists from all sides.


+1

Joker you know am a mainstream Welsh nationalist, there's peaceful ways of getting the message across.
Am happy there's peace in both parts of Ireland, just let the peace continue. :wink:

Now do you see me siding with the likes of Y Gweriniaethwyr, Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru, Byddin Rhyddid Cymru, Meibion Glyndŵr, and the Welsh Socialist Republican Army; NO!


True my family in Ireland are living peacful lifes but their not happy about current state of Ireland the economy is so awful many workers are losing their jobs. It is one big political mess over their.



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18 May 2012, 9:39 pm

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True my family in Ireland are living peacful lifes but their not happy about current state of Ireland the economy is so awful many workers are losing their jobs. It is one big political mess over their.


I was over there in both part last years visiting of my family over there. The ones in the south aren't too happy about the economy cos its impacting on there businesses. I remember talking to them about the Euro before they got in the south there were all against it and what'd to keep the Punt.


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18 May 2012, 9:43 pm

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Joker wrote:

True my family in Ireland are living peacful lifes but their not happy about current state of Ireland the economy is so awful many workers are losing their jobs. It is one big political mess over their.


I was over there in both part last years visiting of my family over there. The ones in the south aren't too happy about the economy cos its impacting on there businesses. I remember talking to them about the Euro before they got in the south there were all against it and what'd to keep the Punt.


My family in Ireland are having the same problems wish I could be over their though in the US I am having no luck of finding work in any state.



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18 May 2012, 9:44 pm

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Joker you know am a mainstream Welsh nationalist, there's peaceful ways of getting the message across.


There's also peaceful ways of ignoring or rejecting that message too, if people in British Northern Ireland and British Wales decide that they shall maintain the Union. :)

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Now do you see me siding with the likes of Y Gweriniaethwyr, Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru, Byddin Rhyddid Cymru, Meibion Glyndŵr, and the Welsh Socialist Republican Army; NO!


I can't imagine that those lot amount to anything more than drunks in a pub though, Shirley?

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True my family in Ireland are living peacful lifes but their not happy about current state of Ireland the economy is so awful many workers are losing their jobs.


That's because their politicians have sold their country down the river.

Vote UKIP.



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18 May 2012, 9:52 pm

It seems though the tables have turned the Irish are oppressing themselfs now their leaders are not even helping them their only helping themselfs.



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19 May 2012, 11:53 am

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It seems though the tables have turned the Irish are oppressing themselfs now


No more so than the British or any other Northern European nation is.

You have to get out of this whinging, moaning mindset of the Irish being an oppressed people - they're not (and the vast majority would laugh at and deride any suggestion that they are - they have the same loves, toils, pains and luxuries that people in the UK and other European countries have), they're a nation just like any other.



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19 May 2012, 12:26 pm

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Vote UKIP.


Indeed.



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21 May 2012, 3:43 pm

Tequila wrote:
There's also peaceful ways of ignoring or rejecting that message too, if people in British Northern Ireland and British Wales decide that they shall maintain the Union. :)
If you referring to how Welsh nationalism is years behind in progress compared to Scotland then, yes. Lets wait and see about the future of the Union after Scotland had its referendum now. :wink:

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I can't imagine that those lot amount to anything more than drunks in a pub though, Shirley?

You haven't lived in Liverpool during the '80s when some of nut jobs were making bombing threats now? Don't take the piss!

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That's because their politicians have sold their country down the river.

Vote UKIP.


I agree. UKIP my arse! Why waste your vote on that lot of right wing loonies? :P


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22 May 2012, 5:05 am

Joker, I find it very strange that, just a few weeks ago, you didn't even know what unionism was. When it was explained to you, you said you were in support of it. http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4552924.html#4552924 Now you claim to support the IRA, which completely conflicts what you said. Also, it's one thing to say you support Sinn Fein, but saying you support the IRA will get a totally different reaction. You do realise that the IRA is a terrorist organisation. It's one of several who have made life hell for many people living in Northern Ireland, on both sides of the debate.


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27 May 2012, 12:44 pm

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Joker, I find it very strange that, just a few weeks ago, you didn't even know what unionism was. When it was explained to you, you said you were in support of it. http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4552924.html#4552924 Now you claim to support the IRA, which completely conflicts what you said. Also, it's one thing to say you support Sinn Fein, but saying you support the IRA will get a totally different reaction. You do realise that the IRA is a terrorist organisation. It's one of several who have made life hell for many people living in Northern Ireland, on both sides of the debate.


The english and british have themselfs to blame for the IRA even being created after 800 years of Irish oppresion.