Ugandans Killed and Evicted to Protect the Environment(Blog)

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05 Oct 2012, 2:46 pm

Ugandans have been killed and evicted for the past 150 years. When Idi Amin ran the place they were also eaten for their flesh. But they have made some progress. Since Idi Amin went away they no longer practice cannibalism.

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05 Oct 2012, 3:55 pm

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Hot, cold, we get by. Change kills.

If it gets hotter, Canada and Siberia become farmland.

Colder comes suddenly, like this coming winter, when drought from warming has held much more water vapor in the air, and when it cools, the early and heavy snowfalls of last year. Only they do not stop for a warm late winter, think ten times three foot of snow.

That brings a late spring, floods, which is happening in the northeast, east coast. Blocked roads, crushed houses, no power. Six months of that could be bad.

It does not take a full blown ice age, glaciers ebb and advance, when water vapor is avilable, they grow suddenly. The Little Ice Age of 1100, just enough to put year round ice on the coast of Scotland, for a few hundred years. The Vikings said the same in 700-900, too cold to ripen our crops, they moved south.

705 the Black Sea and the Nile River froze.

It was not an ice age, just a cold snap and a lower trend.

If nothing changes that is the worst outcome. rising population is unsupportable.

I did not read the article, but if you plant a forest, some will come cut it down, build huts, burn it, and feed the rest to their goats.

All very reasonable goals, protecting species and land, meet people, who see it as something for free. The only method known to stop poachers is snipers. Nothing less than killing them works, and then killing those nearby.

In Nature, everything is out to kill everything, and producing more food is not the answer. We do not plant more food crops for the bugs, we kill the bugs.

A forest takes fifty years to start producing a crop. It is a long term investment, Grazing goats on new planted trees is free today. Plant more trees, they will get more goats.

Buying up tracks of land to conserve, and not posting armed guards, leaves if free to log, hunt, and anything free will be taken.

To Preserve Nature is simple, everyone kills one person. Longer term it can be done by killing females of breeding age. We do it with deer to bring the herd within the food supply.

Allowing it to run it's course is the cruel method, a starving population with every disease, short lives, weak young mothers, weak babies. Somalia has been doing this. If nothing changes it is the near future of the planet.

With birth control and abortion, North America is the slowest growing population. In Nigeria most of the population is under fifteen, and looking to get laid. If they score, Nigeria will have a larger population than America in fifty years. They cannot feed what they have.

Japan is an exception, where they will have less population, that have to pay for the upkeep of an old non productive population.

This problem is not going away. The earth is staggering under the current load, the top soil is depleted, the oceans fished out, and the population grows. Where do you put the next billion?

There will be no agreement on population,


The History Channel had played a great documentary a few years ago dealing with this called Little Ice Age, Big Chill.

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05 Oct 2012, 4:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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The History Channel had played a great documentary a few years ago dealing with this called Little Ice Age, Big Chill.


That was definitely a documentary to watch.

And that was just a minor cool fluctuation in climate. You can imagine what happens when the next ice age does appear.



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12 Oct 2012, 12:30 am

Any of you remember "Gorillas in the mist"? Remember those short village people that Weaver's character hated so much? In real life, they were forcefully removed from their homeland for the sake of making wildlife refuges. They disenfranchised an entire ethnicity for a couple hundred gorillas. To this day, many Batwa live as beggars.



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12 Oct 2012, 12:42 am

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Any of you remember "Gorillas in the mist"? Remember those short village people that Weaver's character hated so much? In real life, they were forcefully removed from their homeland for the sake of making wildlife refuges. They disenfranchised an entire ethnicity for a couple hundred gorillas. To this day, many Batwa live as beggars.


I did not know that. That, too, is a tragedy.

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12 Oct 2012, 9:43 pm

Inventor wrote:
Hot, cold, we get by. Change kills.

If it gets hotter, Canada and Siberia become farmland.


I read somewhere that they are not very fertile.



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13 Oct 2012, 12:55 pm

Tensu wrote:
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Hot, cold, we get by. Change kills.

If it gets hotter, Canada and Siberia become farmland.


I read somewhere that they are not very fertile.


They are not, the cold keeps their biocycle very low, but if they were warmer they would get richer, in a few thousand years.

An inch of topsoil takes 10,000 years to form in nature.

A Geologic timescale.

More than hot and cold, the water cycle seems to have done more damage.

A drought is a term used for those that end, and even then, the 500 year drought in the southwest never really ended, it got wetter from 1500 to 1900, but is now getting dry again.

8,000 years ago the Sahara was grassland, the middle east green, and a sudden drying took it all out quickly, and it never recovered.

This was before people being common enough to blame.



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15 Oct 2012, 11:28 pm

10,000 years is a long time to wait on lunch.

And nobody is saying climate change didn't happen before humans were capable of influencing it.



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16 Oct 2012, 9:08 pm

Standards in weather keeping, come from 1890. Not much science.

1815 was the year without summer, killing frosts in June, July August.

1500 to 1800 was warm, consistant rains, good crops, and a population boom. There is a climate reason Europeans spread over the globe.

Most of the early works on climate, ice ages, thought that the normal state, and interglacials are 20,000 out of the last 125,000 years.

Warm as today or warmer, less than 5,000 out of 125.000.

Ice comes and goes, miles thick in the north, but the geologic record shows no change in the Tropics. Hundred degree days drop to eighty, up north fifty degree days drop to zero.

There are too many factors to predict. It could go either way, and our CO2 may hold off a sudden swing to cold. It may cause it.

Runaway heat would form more clouds, cause more rain, which might cool things off, or snow for a thousand years.

If the drought continues for hundreds of years, the only way to fight it is planting walls of irrigated trees around the edges.

Protection of watersheds will get like Uganda. Forests produce water.

The plow is being banished, seed is drilled in without cultivation. Plowing loses water. The next crop is planted in the stubble of the last.

We are losing.



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16 Oct 2012, 10:06 pm

um... "We are losing"? :duh: