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31 Oct 2012, 4:05 pm

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I think Inuyasha's point was more aimed at trying to get the OP to truly investigate what is the real view and thus action and consequence of a candidate vs. what sound bytes are heard about a candidate when that candidate's views are vocalized by an opposing party in order to win an election.
Then it's a shame his first sentence, with which I wholly agree, was trashed by his second.


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31 Oct 2012, 4:50 pm

The truth be told, there's really nothing specifically related to autism at stake in the election.


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31 Oct 2012, 5:59 pm

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The truth be told, there's really nothing specifically related to autism at stake in the election.


Actually, Special Ed classes, which autistic children benefit from, could very well suffer under a Romney administration. Especially if autistic kids have to be put into bigger classes, and will not receive individualized education anymore - and Romney seems to think bigger class sizes aren't an impediment.

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31 Oct 2012, 6:41 pm

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Asking people on the spectrum actually wouldn't be a very good idea.

If you have someone on the spectrum that is conservative they're going to say Romney.

If the person is liberal they are going to be shilling for Obama.The best thing for you is to look through the facts and make your own decision, not get someone else's opinion on this.

That means you also should ignore the campaign rhetoric of Republicans want to throw people with Autism out in the street BS...


Well since I consider myself liberal theirs no way I could vote for that pretender, if he was running (and I don't care if it ends up as a donkey vote) for David Kucnich , he wasn't a hypocrite in the Iraq war fiasco he voted "no" from the start and he choses not to eat animals or their secretions. :D



The usa could do with a pacifist' president , sadly his name rhymes with spinach and most Americans don't like their greens ( and I'm sure over time they could could learn to enjoy them ) they prefer fast food, vote for the mainstream parties or heaven forbid the shoe ins of the mainstream parties and it does not matter who you vote for you will allways get a politician. Does America even have a greens party ?


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31 Oct 2012, 11:26 pm

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Does America even have a greens party ?

Yes, but is minor compared to the big 2. They do have a candidate for president in Jill Stein.



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01 Nov 2012, 1:30 am

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John_Browning wrote:
The truth be told, there's really nothing specifically related to autism at stake in the election.


Actually, Special Ed classes, which autistic children benefit from, could very well suffer under a Romney administration. Especially if autistic kids have to be put into bigger classes, and will not receive individualized education anymore - and Romney seems to think bigger class sizes aren't an impediment.

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The education system needs drastic changes. I'm annoyed that Bush didn't conced no child left behind was a failed experiment and pulled the plug on it before he left office. The system needs to change. This is one thing zero can clam Bush for, yet he's out to lunch when it comes to fixing it.

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Does America even have a greens party ?

The green part is usually very unpopular because of it's not so closet socialist doctrines and oppressive amounts of government regulation. They may have a couple state representatives, but at the national level, they are only big enough to split the liberal votes.


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01 Nov 2012, 3:10 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
The best thing for you is to look through the facts and make your own decision, not get someone else's opinion on this.

That means you also should ignore the campaign rhetoric of Republicans want to throw people with Autism out in the street BS...
Can you really not see the contradiction in this statement? 8O

If you tell someone the best thing they can do is to find the facts and make their own decision, without being swayed by other opinions - you can't then give them your opinion and tell them what to ignore in the very next sentence.


I was giving an example of some a smear that is flying around, if I really wanted to haul an opinion into it, I would have thrown abortion into the mix of what some wackos suggested as being the "cure for Autism."

I don't have anything of Romney's side off the top of my head that isn't a simple smear, but then that's cause I can actually back up the few Romney ads I've seen with actual facts to support the ad.



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01 Nov 2012, 4:05 pm

Ah. So evidently the answer is "No, I cannot".
Thanks.


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01 Nov 2012, 4:51 pm

Cornflake, I don't exactly live in Ohio where one is bombarded by ads flying every which way.

So considering I haven't seen most of the ads, and the "autistic kids in the street" garbage has been spammed for the last 4 years, I think it was a good example.

Now I could have used the global warming spin hype here recently, when the end of Hurricane season is actually towards the end of November, not the beginning of November.

As far as Romney, I could have dragged up Romney's ad about Fiat moving production from the US to China, except for the fact that there was talk of production in China, but now they're planning on moving it to Italy.

Again though, considering I don't live in Ohio, I haven't seen all the ads to make any comments.

October 22, 2012 In Bloomberg
Chrysler, which entered an alliance with Turin, Italy-based Fiat as part of its U.S. government-backed bankruptcy, is relying on growth in China to counter weakness in Europe’s auto market. The automaker is targeting 500,000 annual sales outside North America by 2014, more than triple its overseas deliveries in 2009.

Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-2 ... limbs.html

So while Fiat was claiming that production wasn't going to be moved to China, why the new production plants opening in China, why couldn't the existing plants in the US have been expanded? Seems kinda silly to create a plant in a totally different country when you have people that already have the experience making the vehicles here in the US.

Btw, more recently Fiat has announced the are moving production of Jeep to Italy.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer ... rket-italy



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01 Nov 2012, 5:10 pm

Unfortunately more money for special education means more money for schools that treat autistic children as ret*ds.



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01 Nov 2012, 5:26 pm

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Unfortunately more money for special education means more money for schools that treat autistic children as ret*ds.


That can actually be the case sadly, I managed to luckily have a mom that knew my rights, and didn't let the schools pull that stunt concerning me.

I got to use the Special Ed classroom as a studyhall (basically so I would have access to a word processor to do school work rather than having to write everything out by hand I could type it out). I got to overhear the lessons the kids that were being taught in special ed, and they were several grade levels behind me.

While some kids need to be in special ed, there are also quite a few that are just thrown in special ed because the school doesn't want to actually get the kid the accommodations the kid needs. Part of me is glad my being on the spectrum wasn't diagnosed until college...



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01 Nov 2012, 5:59 pm

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Unfortunately more money for special education means more money for schools that treat autistic children as ret*ds.

The people on this site only represent about the top 33% of the functional level of the spectrum.


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01 Nov 2012, 6:00 pm

I was put in special ed in high school and their reason was that I finished my work before the other kids and read quietly in class, so "I wasn't paying attention." It was "unfair to the other kids." It's unfair to the other kids that I am faster than them? So I have to look slower than them so they can feel better? :evil:



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01 Nov 2012, 6:25 pm

Well perhaps the greens are more seen as more leftist in America * not that's saying much when Obama is accused of being Americas most leftist president in it's history. 8O I remember back in the early 90' s recession when the Greens held balance od power I think it was in Tasmania (a southern state of Australia) and they where just as enthusiastic (more so from what I could gather) of reducing government spending etc to get in the black than the mainstream parties. I've seen 1st hand the good work the Greens do in Switzerland (I'm Swiss) where they govern in city's like Geneva and Lausanne and despite what many believe in anglo saxon nations did not bankrupt those cities even after major public projects :) how cool is that a city of 150,000 (Lausanne) has it's own metro system . Perhaps Sydney allegedly a world class city with 5 million people will get one to (100 years to late!)

It's all kind depressing when you think about it...


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01 Nov 2012, 6:30 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Unfortunately more money for special education means more money for schools that treat autistic children as ret*ds.


It's still got to be better than being undiagnosed and being aspie baited , biting , than get caned up to 3 times on each hand while you're perpetrators are let off scot free. :twisted:

Do people who believe in corporal punishment ever had experienced these sorts of humiliations? and if they have they must be some sort of sickos who want to "share the love"


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01 Nov 2012, 6:39 pm

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Unfortunately more money for special education means more money for schools that treat autistic children as ret*ds.


Unfortunately, that was my case as a kid - back when I was misdiagnosed with "hyperactivity," at a time before anyone in this country knew what Asperger's was. Luckily, my little girl attends a school with a highly respected special education department, in which she is part of a class filled only with other autistic kids. And I am happy to find that at her school, there is zero tolerance for bullying and making fun of special ed kids. In fact, I've been told my daughter is very popular with all the kids. I wish it were only that way when I was a kid.

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