I wrote a column for CNN: Leave autism out of mass shootings

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23 Dec 2012, 8:35 am

I'm sorry, is the point here something like, this shooting had nothing to do with the fact that the shooter was autistic?

You realize that's absurd, right?



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23 Dec 2012, 8:52 am

No proof of autism, a known nerd, did college work in high school, earned a 3.6 gpa. Any history of behavior would have come out by now. Nothing.

What has come out is his father got away from his wife, so did her older son, and she had a paid for big house and $385,000 a year in alimoney, plus child support, and those were her guns.

He seems to have been getting by in school, but his mother disagrees with the school, pulls him out, and says she will home school him.

Then she wants to have him commited. She has friends, connections, money.

It sounds like she was a person with control issues that drove away her husband and older son, was isolated from family, her sister in law said she had not seen him since he was three.

He was making the grades, no police record, he was university nerd material, he should have been out on his own, they could afford it.

No evidence has come up of professional help, because mom knew what she wanted?

Anyone will strike out if pushed hard enough, her husband divorced her,

He was trapped, she controlled the money, it ended badly.

There are plenty of schools that post ads here, residence for aspergers children, professional staff, good outcomes.

At twenty, he should have not been home with mom being in control of his life. There were a lot of other potential outcomes, control of his life was taken away.

His grades say he should have graduated from high school several years before, mom pulled him out of school. A high school diploma, he could make the grade in a university, which is where he should have been.

Aspergers is what mom told people, we have nothing else.

Her professional backup, a kindergarten principal, and a school psycholigist.

The three were friends, and were going to have him committed?

His high school pictures look like a nerd, the last picture like someone who has been in Abu Greb for a few years.

Everyone who could got away from this woman.

The high school nerd would not have killed twenty children, the prisoner did.

He appears drugged in the last picture, was mom playing Doctor?

In another life he would have never been a problem.

I have know a lot of women who own guns, purse size. I have never know one who owned an assult rifle.



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23 Dec 2012, 10:38 am

Nice job Alex. Thanks. :D


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23 Dec 2012, 10:44 am

Poke wrote:
I'm sorry, is the point here something like, this shooting had nothing to do with the fact that the shooter was autistic?

You realize that's absurd, right?


You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is. And you are very wrong. It is not absurd. It's a fact supported by the M.E. investigating the crime.

The evidence is overwhelmingly against your opinion, and your voice is but a squeak amongst thousands who know better. If you truly believe Autism had something to do with the shooting, you have either not done enough research, or are simply in denial of the truth.


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23 Dec 2012, 11:31 am

MrXxx wrote:
Poke wrote:
I'm sorry, is the point here something like, this shooting had nothing to do with the fact that the shooter was autistic?

You realize that's absurd, right?


You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is. And you are very wrong. It is not absurd. It's a fact supported by the M.E. investigating the crime.

The evidence is overwhelmingly against your opinion, and your voice is but a squeak amongst thousands who know better. If you truly believe Autism had something to do with the shooting, you have either not done enough research, or are simply in denial of the truth.


The delusion on this forum is unreal. I wonder what the news would be reporting if people weren't so concerned about Aspies being stigmatized. The truth, maybe?



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23 Dec 2012, 11:31 am

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You make a lot of valid points. And Moms are human and fallible. It is a rare family that can cope well with kids with complex issues without some kind of support. It is not about an individual alone in crisis, but a family needing counselling. Coverage is near non existant. And once he reached 18 he can refuse care since up to that point no crime happened or threat. These kids decompensate, parents don't want them homeless, can't force therapy and it's often not well covered even if they agree. The person may be too disorganized to apply for benefits but may be too belligerent to accept Mom's help.

We need to get these families real help. Stop judging families and just help. If they were perfect, they would not have a crisis.



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23 Dec 2012, 12:12 pm

Poke wrote:
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Poke wrote:
I'm sorry, is the point here something like, this shooting had nothing to do with the fact that the shooter was autistic?

You realize that's absurd, right?


You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is. And you are very wrong. It is not absurd. It's a fact supported by the M.E. investigating the crime.

The evidence is overwhelmingly against your opinion, and your voice is but a squeak amongst thousands who know better. If you truly believe Autism had something to do with the shooting, you have either not done enough research, or are simply in denial of the truth.


The delusion on this forum is unreal. I wonder what the news would be reporting if people weren't so concerned about Aspies being stigmatized. The truth, maybe?


Consider yourself challenged:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5110489


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23 Dec 2012, 12:36 pm

Poke wrote:
I'm sorry, is the point here something like, this shooting had nothing to do with the fact that the shooter was autistic?

You realize that's absurd, right?

The point is that being autistic doesn't make you a threat. It may have been part of the composite of the shooter's psychological profile, but it wasn't the determining factor.



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23 Dec 2012, 6:02 pm

Thanks for the great responses!


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23 Dec 2012, 6:24 pm

Poke wrote:
I'm sorry, is the point here something like, this shooting had nothing to do with the fact that the shooter was autistic? You realize that's absurd, right?

Evidence, please?

Please post links to your personal research, cite valid and relevant references, and provide a list of all the credentials you have earned in the mental-health field.

THEN we'll discuss absurdities.



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23 Dec 2012, 7:07 pm

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No proof of autism, a known nerd, did college work in high school, earned a 3.6 gpa. Any history of behavior would have come out by now. Nothing.

What has come out is his father got away from his wife, so did her older son, and she had a paid for big house and $385,000 a year in alimoney, plus child support, and those were her guns.

He seems to have been getting by in school, but his mother disagrees with the school, pulls him out, and says she will home school him.

Then she wants to have him commited. She has friends, connections, money.

It sounds like she was a person with control issues that drove away her husband and older son, was isolated from family, her sister in law said she had not seen him since he was three.

He was making the grades, no police record, he was university nerd material, he should have been out on his own, they could afford it.

No evidence has come up of professional help, because mom knew what she wanted?

Anyone will strike out if pushed hard enough, her husband divorced her,

He was trapped, she controlled the money, it ended badly.

There are plenty of schools that post ads here, residence for aspergers children, professional staff, good outcomes.

At twenty, he should have not been home with mom being in control of his life. There were a lot of other potential outcomes, control of his life was taken away.

His grades say he should have graduated from high school several years before, mom pulled him out of school. A high school diploma, he could make the grade in a university, which is where he should have been.

Aspergers is what mom told people, we have nothing else.

Her professional backup, a kindergarten principal, and a school psycholigist.

The three were friends, and were going to have him committed?

His high school pictures look like a nerd, the last picture like someone who has been in Abu Greb for a few years.

Everyone who could got away from this woman.

The high school nerd would not have killed twenty children, the prisoner did.

He appears drugged in the last picture, was mom playing Doctor?

In another life he would have never been a problem.

I have know a lot of women who own guns, purse size. I have never know one who owned an assult rifle.


sounds a little like me... :(



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23 Dec 2012, 9:32 pm

^^^^^^^Im sorry to hear that Tensu.It's none of my business, but if you are in a family situation like that I hope that you can get out of it.Can you get any benefits or aid to help you? I hope you have someone to talk to that you trust.



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23 Dec 2012, 9:59 pm

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a parade of self-appointed experts tried to insinuate that people with autism are prone to inexplicable acts of violence because they lack the ability for empathy and social connection.


"Lack of empathy?" BAH!

That's what the f*****g NTs like to think, isn't it? Makes them feel so damned superior.

I've been in frames of mind where I could understand understand what goes on in the mind of someone who had been pushed to such a point. That's empathy.

The bullies and the narcissists are the ones who lack empathy.



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23 Dec 2012, 10:25 pm

Nice job Alex, liked the vid too of Dr Sanjay Gupta



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23 Dec 2012, 11:00 pm

Misslizard wrote:
^^^^^^^Im sorry to hear that Tensu.It's none of my business, but if you are in a family situation like that I hope that you can get out of it.Can you get any benefits or aid to help you? I hope you have someone to talk to that you trust.


It's less that they are like that now and more that they used to try to control everything. The problem was the obsessive-compulsive habits they were trying to "cure" were born out of a feeling of a lack of control of my life, so everything they did only made things worse. I was aware of what I was feeling and tried to warn them that what they were doing would be a disaster, but since I was only eight at the time they didn't listen.

It is the repercussions of those many years of feeling I had no control that have become the problem. I suffer severe panic attacks when confronted with anything that I do no perceive as "mine".

Neither of them have ever verbally admitted guilt, though my dad often does so in his actions. My mom refuses to admit guilt.

I'm trying to work something out with my dad so that I can move out, but my condition has advanced to the point that only total isolation will lead to improvement, which my dad is understandably hesitant to do. But I can't hold down a job and make money to leave because I can barely leave the basement, much less the house and am therefore dependent on him for funds.

Well, that's enough pity-party for me FTM, back to the topic at hand.



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23 Dec 2012, 11:09 pm

Did anyone else read that the car did not belong to his mom but a man named Christopher Rodia?
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Also, why would Adam Lanza destroy his own hard drive if he was a troubled man that knew he was going to commit suicide and homicide? Cover his tracks? How? Makes me wonder if it really were to destroy evidence that could point to someone other than Adam. Wouldn't he want his reasons to be known if let's say he didn't get enough attention from home?

Christopher Rodia has a criminal past and someone in his family is in prison for making illegal machine guns selling them to gangs.

The entire family seems to be criminal, his brother Dennis Rodia, 44, of 1 Gregory Ave., Norwalk, was given charges that included possession of narcotics, possession of narcotics with intent to sell, possession of narcotics within 1,500 feet of a day-care center and possession of narcotics with intent to sell within 1,500 feet of a day-care. Dennis Rodia, 44, and his mother Lilli Rodia, 67, of 1 Gregory Blvd., Norwalk, were charged with possession of narcotics, possession of narcotics with intent to sell, illegal possession of narcotics within 1,500 feet of a school and possession of narcotics with intent to sell within 1,500 feet of a school.

http://www.norwalkcitizenonline.com/new ... z2FquRue6v

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/policer ... z2FqtYOeSh

Was Adam Lanza framed? Why would he wear a military vest if he were suicidal/homicidal? Why are media reporting the car belonged to his mother when it belongs to Christopher Rodia? Why would Adam carry his brother's ID?

Christopher Rodia and a 19 year old woman were found stealing copper gutters and arrested. Why would he need copper?

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http://www.westport-news.com/news/artic ... 744269.php

Something tells me, Adam was framed. These thugs likely shot his mom. Adam was doing computer repairs and maybe that hard drive either was Adam with some evidence against someone else or it was someone else's hard drive with some incriminating evidence. Why would a suicidal/homicidal man whom was likely starved for attention and affection destroy his own thoughts? Wouldn't he want to be heard?

Something about this story doesn't add up.

Other than that. Bravo for standing up for the autistic community. They tried to claim James Holmes was autistic too. They should be ashamed of themselves because all they are doing is showing that they are prejudice and hateful against autistics.