Peter Lanza and Robert Holmes connection to LIBOR

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Edit: Atlanticwire debunked this far better

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national ... ies/60126/

Whether this was a conspiracy or not I don't know and probably never will. Probably not but I won't completely rule it out.
I'm not real big on conspiracy theories on everything but by all logic conspiracies exist.

I would not put it past the core of the gun control movement to at least entertain the idea of staging a shooting, especially a school shooting, to further their agenda by harnessing the power of the inevitable wave of post-shooting emotion. Sort of like selling flood insurance to home owners after a major local flooding. Just slide the forms and a pen in front of them and it's money in the bank.

Grow up.

People using it to push forth an agenda they know and admit won't actually help anything (in Obama's words: no law can stop these things, but we should do something anyway -- right, that makes awesome sense), is the conspiracy to look at.

Though it's probably not a conspiracy, as there's no secret; it's there for everyone to see, and no one is hiding anything.

The conspiracy would be why they want to push an agenda that won't actually help anything; the reason for it. It's most likely due to personal/group opinion than any nefarious reason though (I find using a tragedy to push an agenda to be nefarious enough though, whether people think arming teachers will do anything really tangible or banning "assault weapons" will do anything the same).

Since when have the gun control lobby ever killed or even physically harmed anyone?
This isn't the Kennedy assassination, where rogue Anti-Castro soldiers of fortune and fanatics working in the black with the CIA and organized crime were known to have threatened the president's life, had the resources, and contact with Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby. What's the proof that Lanza and Holmes had any association with the gun control people? In fact, as Lanza's mother was a multiple gun owner and recreational shooter, I think it can be proven to be the exact opposite.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I never said that they have. What I did say is that I strongly believe that the core the anti gun movement would at least entertain the thought of staging a shooting under the belief that killing 26 (or whatever comparatively small number) might eventually save many more over time via legislation that hopefully would ride on the wave of emoting from said shooting. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
By the core of the anti-gun movement I mean those that have a deeper and longer term vested interests in it, not just the soccer moms and other simple minded ones.
I do not believe, never have believed, and never will believe that those people have the best interests of the public in mind. Period.

If that's your opinion of the gun control lobby, then may I suggest you really don't know them at all.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It's either they're simple minded or have a hidden darker agenda.
I don't see a logical third reason.
Believe what you want, though.....

I don't know about Lanza or Holmes or whoever but what do you think the points of Operation Fast And Furious was for? Other than protecting their drug profits and making sure that sweet federal money keeps coming in, it was to be convenient way to manufacture a crisis in Mexico more gun control in this country. That's not a conspiracy, it's what happened.

I don't know who to trust but all I know is when these freaks try to push their agenda in the wake of such tragedies like the one in Connecticut is to extremely suspicious. I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job but the PATRIOT act and the invasion of Iraq were all drawn up back in the 90s. Dianne Feinstein's gun bill has been written for years now. It's not a terrible leap to assume a regime that justifies such evil in response to tragedies might manufacture them from time to time. The wannabe dictators in this country live by the creed of never letting a crisis go to waste.

Darker agenda or simple mindedness? It can be argued that the government is just waiting for citizens to be disarmed in order to install dictatorial rule is paranoid.
And the notion spread by the gun lobby that Hitler had seized all the guns in Germany is not entirely true. I recall an incident when Jews were rounded up into - I believe - a Synagogue, which was then set on fire. Local German farmers had been ordered to the scene of the fire - with their guns - in order to open fire on any Jews trying to escape the flames.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

I don't share some of the gun lobbyists belief about Hitler banning guns. I know enough about Nazi Germany to know otherwise.
No one with two brain cells to rub together, on either side of the argument, believes the government is capable of carrying out a nation wide gun confiscation and removing even close to all of the guns.
They can criminalize gun owners, though, and judicially pick off the ones that rear their heads among other damages....

I really wouldn't worry about that.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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It has happened using existing gun laws but I' not going to get into a discussion on that, too.

did anyone notice the vid in the OP where the grieving father was laughing? That is why I bump such an old thread, it is strange nobody mentioned the vid.