Interbreeding between humans, Neanderthals, Denisovans...

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Good stuff.

One species in Africa 600,000 years ago, splits. Neanderthal seems to have gone East, leaving behind several groups. Denisovans are of their line, with the last common ancestor 250,000 years ago. The farthest West they have been found is the Altai Mountains. They could be the Red Deer People of China.

Neanderthal went through China to reach Europe.

500,000 years ago Heidelburgis reached Germany. They could be the other unknown group.

An archaic sapiens species stayed in Africa, and only became Modern Sapiens after coming in contact with neanderthal in the Middle East 125,000 years ago. Part of their group went East, had hot sex with Denisovans, and crossed sixty miles of open deep ocean to reach Australia 40,000 years ago.

Becoming isolated, they are the best preserved image of what sapiens looked like. Another branch went North, into Neanderthal country. They became the Europeans. From their looks, we can figure what Neanderthal looked like.

The people with Denisovan DNA produce some blonds with light eyes.

Very white skin, red and blond hair, and golden or gray eyes, would account for their European children.

The speculations of rdos are turning into some good Science.

I don't think there is a correlation between autism and Neanderthals/Denisovans.

However, I do think that the intelligence and capabilities of Neanderthals, Denisovans and other hominides are severely underestimated. The reason for that probably lies in the fact that these hominides did not have the nasty, insane and destructive power that we homo sapiens always had and have. Scientists claim that homo sapiens survived beacuse we were more flexible than, for instance, the Neanderthals but I have a more cynical point of view.

It wouldn't surprise me if we humans where responsible for their extinction and we should all bow our heads in shame because of it. It goes without saying that we did the same to many other species and we have made countless attempts to annihilate each other as well. There is no doubt about the fact that we interbred with hominids as the Neanderthals and Denisovans in the distant past and I don't see why there is anything wrong with that.

Being a member of the human species does not fill my with pride and I see no hope for our immediate future neither for other species that have the bad luck of being around during our existance on earth. I can't for the life of me understand why we humans see ourselves as so fantastic, intelligent and as as the centre of the world. What a load of bullocks. We suck people. Bigtime!!

They are not other people, they is us.

Our Family, the oldest, Chimpanzee, next Bonomos, then early us.

The evidence says we did not like us, and kept moving away. Neanderthal was first, 600,000 years ago, went east, spawned Denisovans, and kept moving, up through China, then over to Europe. Their last common ancestor 250,000 years ago.

Hidelburgis left Africa, went to Germany, 500,000 years ago.

Our own did not leave Africa till 125,000 years ago, did not go far, and have nothing to show for the first 75,000 years as Modern Humans.

Just as a Shrew like creature was the first Mammal of our titty species, does not mean they killed off the Dinos.

Modern Humans seemed few, were food for Erectus, and sex toys for Neanderthal.

Surviving sex with Neanderthals seems risky, they were much larger, 1600cc brain compared to 1200cc, thick bones, three times as strong, big chests, and surviving giving birth to one of them doubtful. Some females did, no males survived.

It was not Humans looking for some strange, it was Neanderthal males doing human females, who were one third to one quarter their size.

40,000 years ago the line that would become Europe was less than a hundred, and very closely related. closer than brother sister, almost genetic twins related.

Then the male line was replaced by Neanderthal.

Oh the horniness of humans goes further back than Neandertals or Denisovans. I read a few years ago some scientific articles studying our genetic past. Based on DNA evidence, apparently when our ancestors first split from the common ancestor we share with chimps, our ancestors and the chimpanzee ancestors continued to interbreed for another million years before we diverged enough where we could no longer interbreed successfully. Then one population eventually became humans and another population eventually became chimps. What I find funny is that the proto-humans were having wild monkey love with our hairy proto-chimp cousins for a million years!

About that same time I learned this (three or four years ago) I also learned that the idea of humans being "more" evolved than chimps may be mistaken. Since splitting from a common ancestor, the chimp DNA has had more functional mutations than the human DNA has had, so in a sense the chimp is "more" evolved than the human. A common misunderstanding still held by some people that dates from the popular presentation of evolution in the 19th century is the idea of evolution as a ladder or straight progression instead of a branching bush. All this means is that the chimp DNA has mutated more than the human DNA has since our populations diverged from a common ancestor, but it is funny that not only did our human ancestors make whoopee with the chimp ancestors for a million years but also in one sense the chimps are MORE evolved than us!

Pfft. These are nothing. How about some boar-on-bonobo action?

This thread is heading somewhere disturbing really fast...

Didnt read every word of the long article but it seems like his argument is based upon comparing modern humans to modern domestic pigs.

If we were spawned from chimps/bonobos boffing pigs the pigs wouldve been wild boars which differ from domestic pigs by having more fur, and long tusks,and are much less human like.