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26 Feb 2007, 1:12 pm

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I'd much prefer Australia thanks! :D


The beer is better there, anyway. Yank beer is all ale, no decent stout ! !!


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26 Feb 2007, 5:12 pm

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I don't quite understand how something can be 50% "unavoidable". Doesn't that mean that there is a 50% chance that its avoidable? Which basically boils down to: if we do this, this will happen....and, if we do this, this will happen. Which makes the word "unavoidable" mean absolutely nothing in this case.

Here was a story today about Al Gore's documentary:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Yj ... EwZTFhM2E=


You get your propaganda from National Review.....I get mine from "the Nation"....they are both just that,propaganda based on the current belief system(preference)of the readers.I have no optimism about humans ability to make long term plans to avoid possible or even probable disaster9Anyone hear about New Orleans?), at the cost of their current conveniences or profits.We just cant seem to do it(most particularly in America).Perhaps it is because the root belief system is one of "unavoidable" Armigedon?Who are we to mess with Gods will.

You are correct in my opinion,that all the little "gestures" of energy effecency are like putting a band-aid on an AIDS victem."Global Warning scares" were popular when I was in JR High...1976.....That was before everyone owned an SUV,it didnt seem to "catch on" as a long lasting "trend".Waste of energy appears to be ingrained on our psychys as a "birth right"....nothing will change until the mind set changes(gestalt),and becomes more then a buzz phrase for a few years.


This to shall pass.....and if not....it maybe good idea to learn to swim.


If everythings propaganda, then you have nothing to be worried about. OR, is your propaganda true and mine false? So, there's no need to learn how to swim. :lol:

I on the other hand believe in free will, not God's will. You can't have both, and I personally prefer the former.

Also, computers are not exactly environment friendly, so who ever uses a computer is harming the environment in some manner.



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26 Feb 2007, 5:21 pm

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
E7ernal wrote:
I'd much prefer Australia thanks! :D


The beer is better there, anyway. Yank beer is all ale, no decent stout ! !!


OMG, if Britain is eroded away what will happen to my favourite beers?



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26 Feb 2007, 5:30 pm

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OMG, if Britain is eroded away what will happen to my favourite beers?


Now yer a lad who knows his priorities ! !! !

Guess yew'll have to be a Noah with an ark-load of beers ! !!


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26 Feb 2007, 10:00 pm

I'd have to agree with the yank beers being crap. I'm drinking some of the swill at this moment.

There are good places to go though.....They have british and german beer.



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27 Feb 2007, 10:04 am

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Also, computers are not exactly environment friendly, so who ever uses a computer is harming the environment in some manner.


In that case I'm all in favor of harming the environment :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Who cares about beers if we can't have our computers?


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27 Feb 2007, 11:13 am

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Guess yew'll have to be a Noah with an ark-load of beers ! !!


Two Of Every Brew :lol:



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27 Feb 2007, 3:23 pm

Here in New Orleans we are thirteen foot below sea level, we are forbidden to protect ourselves, that is the role of government. The Governer appoints the Levee Board from friends in North Louisiana, who all vote white, Baptist, and Republican, to oversee the levees protecting people who are mostly Black, Catholic, and vote Democrat.

The US Army Corp of Engineers is in overall charge. We have had very few problems. There are some troublemakers. The higher a levee is built, the faster it sinks, the clay flat we live on is 90% water. When draining the inside of the basin, say ten foot below surface, water seeks it's lowest level, and the ground shrinks, so drains are dug deeper, and that is how we got thirteen foot below sea level.

Levees sink, and so the, I Have a Friend in Government Construction Company, comes and builds them higher. Just before Katrina the levee near my home was rebuilt at great cost by the best minds. Hundreds of Profesionals spent billions to protect us with a 17 foot levee.

An untrained troublemaker went out with nothing but a pole, and from seal level to the top of the levee was 13 foot. One way or the other that guy is leaving. He cost some important people a lot of money.

Pumping water out of the basin works better if sea level is brought into the city with canals, which means miles more levee. The main canal was deepened, nine foot of good clay was removed, making it eighteen foot deep, and down to a layer of peat, which can not be sold. This canal empties through a narrow bridge, into a lake six foot deep, so digging it out increased drainage.

I imagine the canal was continued out into the lake, an engineering marvel, an underwater canal.

Katrina brought a ten foot storm surge, the levees are made to withstand 17 foot, except the water ran through the peat, floated the levees, and at the first crack, they opened like double doors.

This work was approved by the Corp of Engineers, the State Levee Board, and carried out by the best Engineers money could buy. The construction company was close family and friends of the top political class. It was a first class job.

We have dealt with many floods, gone out an gotten people, brough cold beer, but this time all roads and waterways were blocked by Homeland Security, for terrorists might chose that moment to attack New Orleans. It was handeled by white men with uniforms and guns, the government answer to all problems.

Everyone in the city was declared a looter, and fearing they may overrun the country, the whole area was locked down for a week, becoming an instant prison. Nothing got in or out.

Flooded to the roof tops people waited, one day, two days, three days, four days, five days, six days, and on the seventh day, men with guns came and said, put your hands behind your head, lay face down, an spread them. We had been saved.

1570 died, but most of them were just old white women who lived alone in $400,000 homes along the lake. They died of dehydration.

My only regret is my IT business was along the lakefront, and the calls stopped.

Since then we have troops in the streets with fixed baonets, the funds to rebuild were given to white Baptist, Republicans in North Louisiana, and Road Home Grants are limited to $500, if you sign away all claim to the $8 Billion they have been sitting on for over a year. It was sub contracted to, Friends of the Government, they are willing to spend the rest of their lives protecting the money. They have given out less than 1500 grants.

It seems to be our fault, we cost every tax payer $781, so far. Utilities are up 400%, 250,000 people are still scattered, with no place to return to. After a year, there is nothing to do but doze blocks, and sell them to friends of the government, for they have a plan to rebuild, but that does not involve those who used to live here.

Nothing is happening, except mold and rot, the weeds are chest high, it is turning back to swamp. Here and there is a house with lights, but there are miles of doorless windowless, rotting hulks, that were someone's home.

Thanks America, hope I can do the same for you someday!



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27 Feb 2007, 3:29 pm

If only there was something I could do :cry:



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27 Feb 2007, 4:19 pm

According to Inventor's post, I think that things like the Katrina fiasco occur so that a bright spotlight is shone on the "Powers that Be." Now there is no doubt at to the type of folks who runs things :x


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27 Feb 2007, 4:19 pm

The thing about AIDS is an utter and complete myth. Mosquitoes cannot transfer HIV or any other STD. They do not inject there blood or anyones else's into you. However, They do inject a fluid anticoagulant fluid and saliva as a lubricant. None of which would contain HIV since they do not even ingest the HIV particles. The HIV virus would not survive long enough in a mosquito for it to transfer it even if it did ingest it.

Now an increased mosquito population would cause ALOT of other problems and diseases. Just not AIDS.



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27 Feb 2007, 4:21 pm

QL wrote:
The thing about AIDS is an utter and complete myth. Mosquitoes cannot transfer HIV or any other STD. They do not inject there blood or anyones else's into you. However, They do inject a fluid anticoagulant fluid and saliva as a lubricant. None of which would contain HIV since they do not even ingest the HIV particles. The HIV virus would not survive long enough in a mosquito for it to transfer it even if it did ingest it.

Now an increased mosquito population would cause ALOT of other problems and diseases. Just not AIDS.


Good Point!


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27 Feb 2007, 4:39 pm

The climate changes four times a year,get over it.

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28 Feb 2007, 2:56 am

E7ernal wrote:
Prof_Pretorius wrote:
E7ernal wrote:
I'd much prefer Australia thanks! :D


The beer is better there, anyway. Yank beer is all ale, no decent stout ! !!


OMG, if Britain is eroded away what will happen to my favourite beers?


I hate watery beer! :x

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04 Mar 2007, 2:15 pm

Before you get all anxious and depressed about this studt metrology and scientific method. Then study religious history, learn about stability modes, and cosmology.

Knowledge shall set you free!


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05 Mar 2007, 6:50 am

You mean like engineering an ark?

"Water World" anyone?