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02 Mar 2007, 10:52 am

Honestly, I don't even think that this supposed "find" would have even been newsworthy had Cameron not been involved. It's a total fraud and the only reason anyone is paying attention is because he is famous.



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04 Mar 2007, 2:14 pm

I was raised in a Foursquare denominational church and we still believe that Jesus' body was raised. Anyways, I also agree that if they found this tomb in 1980 and it was really the tomb of Jesus, then they'd have made a huge deal about it already; not 27 years from then. There's also the fact that people have been coming up with frauds all the time to make money; like people making false artifacts to sell to people, or the incident where this one guy made a fraud burial box of a disciple of Jesus, which was made into a huge deal. Then they found it fraud and then he's exiled from Israel or something. He also made thousands of other false artifacts. I'm not saying that it's a fake tomb; I actually agree that those bones could have been someone else's with the name of Jesus, Joseph, or Mary, since those are rather common names of the day. People today are still named those names lol.


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07 Mar 2007, 9:06 pm

I personally find the idea that the Christian religion is nothing but a huge hoax too entertaining to resist.

I wonder how much the world would change if we had conclusive proof that Jesus never existed.


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08 Mar 2007, 3:17 am

While I watched the special, and had exactly the same questions the scepics had, I don't think the evidence could be totally discounted. The research was incomplete.

As for the information about the ossuaries not coming out in 1980, I am not surprised. Antiquities Departments are full of politics, and considering how long it took for The Dead Sea Scrolls translations to be released (decades and decades), I'm not surprised that these ossuaries have not been studied until now. The politics of religion, scholasticism, and politics complicate this issue, and of course, involve three of the world's major religions, someone's going to have a hissy fit.

The Israeli's limit study of historical and ancient artifacts because they consider these the history of their ancestors and they have a way of handling those items. The orthodoxy in Jerusalem is consulted as to how the tombs and the artifacts and any remains are treated, and that hampers scholarly research as well.

I couldn't care less if Jesus lived or not, though I found it exciting to think that this could be the tomb of the Jesus family. To have proof of a first century rabbi who set out to change Judaism and whose teachings were used to found a new religion that has had so much influence on history was interesting to me.

As a Buddhist, many Christian concepts are foreign to me such as the resurrection or Jesus's mother being a virgin (what has that got to do with anything?), but archeology is one of my interests, and making a connection to people who lived long ago and in a very different culture is fascinating.

I feel like the special was like-one third of what it should have been.

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08 Mar 2007, 3:22 pm

cellogirl42 wrote:
I personally find the idea that the Christian religion is nothing but a huge hoax too entertaining to resist.

I wonder how much the world would change if we had conclusive proof that Jesus never existed.


Well, you'll never know. There are Roman documents written by various officials complaining to the Emperor about a new cult called "Christians" that was springing up overnight, and wrecking havoc with worship of the "proper" gods. This business about Cameron finding Jesus' bones is humbug to the tenth power.


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09 Mar 2007, 3:41 am

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
cellogirl42 wrote:
I personally find the idea that the Christian religion is nothing but a huge hoax too entertaining to resist.

I wonder how much the world would change if we had conclusive proof that Jesus never existed.


Well, you'll never know. There are Roman documents written by various officials complaining to the Emperor about a new cult called "Christians" that was springing up overnight, and wrecking havoc with worship of the "proper" gods. This business about Cameron finding Jesus' bones is humbug to the tenth power.


And actually, it was several different cults bunched under one title, and followed different books. Just as there are different sects now, there were many different sects in Roman times, and many would be quite foreign today.

Rjaye 8)



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09 Mar 2007, 7:53 pm

Rjaye wrote:
Prof_Pretorius wrote:
cellogirl42 wrote:
I personally find the idea that the Christian religion is nothing but a huge hoax too entertaining to resist.

I wonder how much the world would change if we had conclusive proof that Jesus never existed.


Well, you'll never know. There are Roman documents written by various officials complaining to the Emperor about a new cult called "Christians" that was springing up overnight, and wrecking havoc with worship of the "proper" gods. This business about Cameron finding Jesus' bones is humbug to the tenth power.


And actually, it was several different cults bunched under one title, and followed different books. Just as there are different sects now, there were many different sects in Roman times, and many would be quite foreign today.

Rjaye 8)


Regardless of actually knowing or not, I'd like to imagine what could happen. Like PKD's Man in the High Tower.


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11 Mar 2007, 10:16 am

I don't believe it. Some of the things - like having a son, getting married - you'd think would be important enough to include in the Bible. It sounds more like a ploy to me.


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11 Mar 2007, 7:12 pm

That's silly, Jesus is buried in my back yard in a concrete vault. People keep telling me it's a septic tank, but I don't believe them.

I also have a diamond the size of a refrigerator buried in my back yard.



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11 Mar 2007, 9:37 pm

jdbob wrote:
That's silly, Jesus is buried in my back yard in a concrete vault. People keep telling me it's a septic tank, but I don't believe them.

I also have a diamond the size of a refrigerator buried in my back yard.


Liar.

He's locked in MY garage. He shares it with Elvis.