I feel more hurt by Robin Williams than terrorism (9/11 etc)

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Wow America's alimony system is preposterous. Poor guy he must have been heartbroken. Im just praying that he isn't one of those posthumous paedophiles. Ive basically lost all confidence in the moral integrity of artists/directors/actors of all kinds due to Polanski Saville Harris and the rest of the accursed lot.

I sort of see what you mean, I mean though I never met the guy....I saw movies with him and such so its someone I have been aware of as an individual for quite a while....so I guess I find it a wee bit more upsetting to me personally than a bunch of people I never heard of...though I am not saying their deaths weren't sad to....but just didn't have as personal of an effect as an individual I actually knew of and liked as an actor when I first heard of the death I couldn't even remember what all movies I've seen him in but after thinking on it a while I realized its a lot of movies that I enjoyed.

I know I might get crap for this one, but I sometimes wonder just how 'innocent' all of those civilians where....I mean it was the world trade center, which is related to the corporate world and all its corruption and what not, so I am not so sure everyone there was innocent of ever helping to screw anyone over or what not since its corporate. BUt then I don't know as I never knew anything about them. Guess I never like the assumption that everyone killed in that tragedy was an 'innocent' person who never hurt a fly...not saying they all deserved it as that would be kinda heartless but I suppose for me to use the blanket term innocent civilians.....it would have to be a bunch of toddlers killed or something.

Also not sure the OP is saying its more tragic, seems more they are just saying they noticed it upsetting them more than 9-11, which people can't exactly help how they feel about something .

I just cannot agree with these posts.
At first it just sounded like he was depressed and committed suicide. That would be sad indeed. But then the story changed, that he was depressed because he owed his ex-wives millions of dollars. That would be sad, except I imagine he could get a lawyer to fight those settlements, namely because he no longer had the same earning power. NOW the story is he was depressed because he had Parkinsons. Thats borderline pathetic. All of us face disease as we age. The boxer Muhammed Ali has Parkinsons, and he goes around raising funds to help find treatments for it. It sounds like he just couldn't face his own mortality. For pete's sake, Terry-Thomas had Parkinsons, and had the courage to carry on.

Both are bad. I see no need for comparison.

He had four films still to open, he was respected, money wasn't a problem. Parkinson's - that's not why. He was depressed. It's an illness. It's that simple.

The people who died in the World Trade Center on 9/11 were innocent victims of a plane attack, period.

At most, they were pawns of those who advocate "corporate greed, "American imperialism," "capitalism," "Western decadence," etc.

Just like civilians in all wars: mostly innocent victims who do not want war in the first place.

Not that simple. If I was faced with a debilitating disease, I would consider suicide too. He could have been depressed about his future disability. It's an honorable way to go. Like Hunter Thompson.

It's as honourable as a heart attack. That is, honour doesn't come into it. Depression is a dangerous and sometimes fatal disease.

I agree that it IS an inane comparison.

But on the other hand- yeah- I am effected by RWs passing far more than by your average celebrity obituary -for some reason- myself.

Not sure why.


To the OP:

In 9-11 the victims were strangers. Robin Williams probably seems like family. So I get why you might mourn him more. But there is one other thing. Who was the villian? The victim was also the perpetrator. Robin Williams was both the Twin Tower AND the hijacked airliner. So maybe your feelings of loss are mixed with feelings of betrayal and anger at the man himself for taking himself out of your life (like you might feel about a family member who died that way). That maybe why you seek to compare this to 9-11.

Or, maybe, those are just my own emotions that Im describing.

Re the OP -I think I know what you were trying to say but although the victims of 9/11 were strangers to you,there is a saying that strangers are just potential friends that we don't happen to know.
I'm sure that the fitting description of Robin Williams as talented,kind,generous and funny may equally have applied to many of the victims of 9/11,at least in the eyes of people who knew and loved them. There were also kindergarten children among them so any of the speculation raised in other posts about the victims not all necessarily being entirely 'innocent' obviously doesn't apply to those children.

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There were a lot of people, including children, that were just visiting and had nothing with that "corporate greed", I'm sure out of that many people a few weren't entirely innocent. Out of the millions of Jews Hitler killed there were probably quite a few bad people in them. So I guess Hitler was ok because they weren't all innocent, and so were the terrorists because they got rid of greedy businessmen that were stealing from America, right?

I feel much worse about 9/11 than Robin Williams.
I don't care about Robin Williams's death at all.

All that makes sense now. His life was pretty much over. I assume his kids were grown so they were moved out and living their own lives. His wife being in a separate room, sounds like they are separated but still live in the same house. He was old so he couldn't find any good movie rolls to suit his age and could only find crappy roles for low budget films it sounds like. I guess he used up all his money he earned from acting.

If it was depression that I feel more sorry for him due to the suffering he faced in life than the way in which he died. If someone commits suicide than I think the circumstances that drove them to suicide are also tragic, not just the suicide itself.

If it was Parkinson's? People with serious deceases aren't all obligated to go 'round raising funds. Robin Williams didn't owe the world anything.

/\ /\ What I was trying to say (in my typical roundabout way) is that IF he had Parkinsons, I wish he had the courage to endure it, rather than take his life. Being older than you, I can say from personal experience that growing old has its challenges. You lose your good looks, and some faculties. I DID NOT mean he should have endured the disease and gone around raising funds, although that would have been fabulous. Terry-Thomas simply retired and lived out the rest of his life quietly while suffering the ravages of Parkinsons. Robin could have done that also, although I admit I do not understand US divorce/alimony law. I do know that George Carlin went into a huge amount of debt due to malfeasance of his Accountant. He responded by going back to doing standup and writing books to pay off the debt. Perhaps he could have paid off his ex-wives. Perhaps there was no way he could.

I doubt he was depressed because of either of those things alone...sounds to me more like he's been struggling with depression specifically bi-polar depression(at least that is what I gather from all the info I've seen so far) for quite some time even before owing his ex wives millions or finding out he was developing parkinsons. So obviously I cannot say for sure but to me it is looking like the owing millions, and parkinsons where things on top of his mental health issues and it all ended up being too much. If you have something like depression things like that can be much harder to cope with.

Also though none of us spectators are going to know exactly what all was going on with him, or what all he might have been coping with let alone exactly what his reasoning was....Media jumps to conclusions, too quick and much of the time they jump on certain aspects just to get the better 'story' that might get more readers/watchers. When the lockdown happened at my school and a student was killed I was sort of disgusted by the behavior of some of the news reporter type people who just wanted juicy information and made a lot of speculation but where insensitive to how hard it hit people involved. I imagine the family of someone well known like that is probably dealing with a ton more of that than I did with that incident and that has to be difficult for them.

Also suicide is not about courage or lack of courage....it's when you litterally cannot cope with what you are faced with, and you see it as the only out....essentially the brain does not have the tools to cope.....very painful for the sufferer and then the accompanying thoughts don't help. Even the most courages person in the world is going to have a breaking point....if they reach it well no they would not be immune to becoming suicidal.