Overdoses From Heroin On The Rise In The US

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08 Oct 2014, 8:04 pm

they need to make usable pot in a form tolerable to those of us who cannot inhale smoke. btw IMHO pot brownies taste funny. :eew:



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08 Oct 2014, 8:28 pm

auntblabby wrote:
they need to make usable pot in a form tolerable to those of us who cannot inhale smoke. btw IMHO pot brownies taste funny. :eew:


Agreed, I think the proposal on the table is to incorporate a safe dosage of medical marijuana in edible form targeted to children with epilepsy to control their seizures.

Honestly for many of the parents of severely epileptic kids it's a no-brainer.



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08 Oct 2014, 9:54 pm

Funnily, the police turn a blind eye to private THC consumption here in Brisbane if you don't bring attention to yourself too much (you know, like lighting up on a train); well, that's what they taught us and pretty much told us to do in Criminal Justice (police being the teachers). This was about a decade ago, so I bet they're even more liberal to it now.

Colour me surprised that we don't have medical weed here though. You'd think that's something doctors could prescribe for various conditions (both mental and physical).

The risk of side-effects are there with all drugs when you get down to it, and THC wouldn't be any worst than any others.



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08 Oct 2014, 10:03 pm

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The risk of side-effects are there with all drugs when you get down to it, and THC wouldn't be any worst than any others.


Infact the W.H.O. ranks marijuana and LSD as a significantly lower risk to long term health < tobacco and alcohol

I don't advocate everyone goes and "get stoned" or "takes a trip" but again if you can regulate more dangerous drugs such as alcohol or tobacco then it's yet another no-brainer...



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08 Oct 2014, 10:12 pm

auntblabby wrote:
they need to make usable pot in a form tolerable to those of us who cannot inhale smoke. btw IMHO pot brownies taste funny. :eew:


They make a pill called marinol, but from what I've heard it's too strong for most people, as in it makes them unpleasantly high. I imagine a clever person could grind one up and compound it with something inert, then pack it into supermarket gelcaps, but I've never had access to any, so couldn't say for sure.


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08 Oct 2014, 10:29 pm

since I have a high narcotic tolerance in general, one person's "unpleasantly high" might be just what the doc ordered for me. :drunken:



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09 Oct 2014, 12:11 am

unpleasantly high, sounds intriguing :P



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09 Oct 2014, 1:01 am

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I don't know, I normally handle pot just fine, but I had a pot cookie a few months ago that had me lying on the bed gripping the mattress waiting for it to be over, I mean spinning and paranoia, some mild hallucinations (shadows taking shapes, etc), general feeling of anxiety, it got unpleasant enough that I popped an Ambien, put in earplugs and put on an eyeshade, and waited for the knockout. Clearly, I ate too much at once, but still, I didn't even know pot could do that to me, smoking it always limited the amount I could do at one time since I hack really badly when I inhale.


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09 Oct 2014, 1:49 am

wish ambien worked for me, that drug is like taking a sugar pill.



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09 Oct 2014, 2:21 am

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wish ambien worked for me, that drug is like taking a sugar pill.


Have you tried other Z drugs? There's a whole family of them, from what my doc has said they're all fairly similar, but work differently for different people. I've been taking the stuff long enough that I've built up a tolerance and it doesn't always work, so I often boost it with hydroxyzine, xanax, or alcohol, depending upon how late it is and how desperate for sleep I am.


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09 Oct 2014, 3:42 am

I don't have ready access to a doc who will prescribe me such drugs, lots of abusers out here in the sticks and all the local docs tend to be very stingy with such drugs. I tried somebody else's ambien and that is how I know it doesn't work at all for me. the only thing that worked consistently was vigorous daily exercise but since my back went kaput on me I have been in enforced idleness which has wrecked my sleep. if a pot shop opens in my county I will ask them if they have something I can swallow and not inhale, that I don't have to taste, like a capsule or pill.



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10 Oct 2014, 5:32 am

If you can't sleep, you can get Seroquel with an ASD label.

That's what I need to sleep. I don't sleep otherwise.

(Thinking about it, you could probably get anything with an ASD label.)



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10 Oct 2014, 12:20 pm

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I don't really think it's because folks who can't get pain meds are resorting to shooting up smack. First of all, smack is much more expensive than the pain meds you can buy on the street. My best friend is a heroin addict and trust me, she's in no physical pain whatsoever. She tried it and liked the high. Then she started chipping, then she got on it. Now, when she can't afford any she does have pain but that's withdrawals.

My opinion is that people are ODing because they are used to black tar and they get china white instead. Black tar is actually heroin, and while there is still some old school Mexican brown around, most of the powder gear thats around now is China White. That's not heroin, it's fentanyl. Fentanyl is stronger than heroin and you hit the same amount of that as you would regular H, you die. The stuff my friend gets is China. If she got the tar, she wouldn't catch a buzz. Tar was what was popular for years and there is now a shift back regular. She started on the China.

Also, there are issues of route of administration and bioavailability. Many people hitting it up don't cook it, but cooking it increases the amount you get. The put the same amount in the spoon, somebody there says "Hey, I cook mine", they cook it and BAMMO. Hot shot in more ways than one. Some people switch from snorting to shooting. You can snort a hell of a lot more than you can shoot.

Basically, it's because people don't know what they are doing. Also, folks don't just do a little first to check purity too. They get lazy with it. Thats why. This is not just conjecture on my part either.


I don't doubt that is the case a lot of the time, but there are quite a few people who became addicted due to initially being prescribed opiate pain killers. Also though from what i understand around here there is plenty of black tar heroin and its not all that expensive(not into that stuff myself but I have plenty of acquaintances one of which actually has taken it) so knows some about it and actually pain pills can be much more expensive and harder to find on the street at least around Denver it could be entirely different in other cities. But yeah regardless of someones initial factors of becoming addicted they can not know what they are doing and f*** up and end up dead, its dangerous stuff to be f***ing around with.


The thing is opiates are tricky. Even experienced users can od due to variations in (mind)set and setting. The body uses these unconscious cues to get ready for the high, changes can make the body less ready and cause an overdose.

On a side note, as someone who suffers from chronic pain, I can say I'd be VERY reluctant to start shooting smack if I couldn't refill my prescription for percocets. Eventually, I'd have to do something, but I don't think I'd start shooting up.

Precocets stop me up bad enough... If I started using H, I'd probably never poop again. :P


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10 Oct 2014, 4:46 pm

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Precocets stop me up bad enough... If I started using H, I'd probably never poop again. :P

when on narcs one needs to keep well-hydrated and have plentiful dietary fiber.



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10 Oct 2014, 8:29 pm

auntblabby wrote:
I don't have ready access to a doc who will prescribe me such drugs, lots of abusers out here in the sticks and all the local docs tend to be very stingy with such drugs.


Ask about hydroxyzine, it does a lot of things, including helping with sleep, and it's specifically prescribed for people who need an anxiety or insomnia pill but have substance abuse problems that rule out giving them benzos or z drugs, so your doctors shouldn't have a problem prescribing it.


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10 Oct 2014, 8:45 pm

^^^
thank you :) I will note that.