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GoonSquad
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11 Oct 2014, 3:24 pm

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There is big $ in the prison-industrial complex.

www.vice.com/read/whos-getting-rich-off ... al-complex

They are also getting into making $ by imprisoning illegal immigrants.

www.nytimes.com/2011/09/29/world/asia/g ... d=all&_r=0

but it's public money. It has to be raised or it raises deficits. ..

The left wants prison reform and the right wants low taxes and deficits.

There is a chance to make progress here.


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11 Oct 2014, 6:50 pm

GoonSquad - I hope you are right. I worry with the corporations buying politicians.


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11 Oct 2014, 8:16 pm

@ Goonsquad and Justkillingtime
Some sectors should never, never be left to the private sector, and prisons is one of them (along with education, police, defense, health, justice), private sector means making a profit, and in the case of prisons it means filling them up, while the public sector is not there to make money but just providing a public service, in this case protecting society by locking up the dangerous people who are a treat to society.


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13 Oct 2014, 7:06 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
China's population is more than 5 times our population. We have over 2 times more people in prison. We no longer have a right to a trial ( one can be held in prison for decades with no charges being filed).
I am not pro Chinese government. My point is that we are no longer a free country.


We never were. We had slavery until 1865.

The states had various blasphemy and sodomy laws.

Under the Comstock Laws literature was censored.

Negroes could not vote freely in the southern states until 1965.

Some states have "hate speech" and "hate crime" laws.

Late term abortion is illegal in many states.

And of late you can be fined for not buying Obama Care.

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13 Oct 2014, 9:22 pm

Well, still better overall compared to Mainland China by a long shot, but compared to other developed nations, a bit... dodgy.
At least you can mouth off about whoever's in charge (and rightly so) and only get death-threats from idiots, not actually disappear.
I guess every nation, developed or otherwise have the fair share of nasties... Some have more than others.