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And a Little Child Shall Lead Them - NYT link
God is a young white boy - of course! I never thought otherwise. 
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30 Nov 2014, 1:48 am
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Is it strange that I want to see Exodus even though I'm a nonbeliever? It looked pretty epic from the commercials, and the fact it's directed by Ridley Scott is just icing on top.
You don't need to believe in the greek gods to enjoy greek myths.
Very true. One of my favorite Metallica songs is actually "Creeping Death", which was inspired by the story of the Ten Plagues in the Bible. When you think about it, the subject material works quite well for a crazy-headbanging song.
01 Dec 2014, 8:09 am
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Very true. One of my favorite Metallica songs is actually "Creeping Death", which was inspired by the story of the Ten Plagues in the Bible. When you think about it, the subject material works quite well for a crazy-headbanging song.
Off Topic: I love Metallica just a little bit more for writing "Creeping Death". Metal bands often turn to religion for material but they more often head to Book of Revelations or Norse sagas. As far as I know, this is the only song about Passover written by a metal band.
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As Ridley Scott says in the interview, the casting was a financial decision. And why shouldn't it be? The movie studios are businesses that make money. If any art gets made in the process, that is incidental. It isn't possible to please everyone so it makes the most financial sense to please the largest number of people most likely to buy tickets. If significant money is lost because of a boycott, that will affect decisions about the next movie made (which is the intent of boycotters). But if the people who boycott wouldn't have bought a ticket anyway, then they should be ignored by Hollywood.
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And a Little Child Shall Lead Them - NYT link
God is a young white boy - of course! I never thought otherwise.
God is a young white boy - of course! I never thought otherwise.
It's going to ruffle somebodies feathers either way, do you think Morgan Freeman or Alanis Morissette should be playing god? It just seems silly to get upset over someone else's artistic vision.
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It's mostly Duggar-esque families who are going to go see this movie. To them, everyone in the Bible is white and Jesus has blue eyes. That's what they want to see, so that's what they're getting.
Ironically, Ridley Scott is an atheist.
I don't think his casting decisions were racially motivated though, I think he just chose whatever available actors best fit his creative vision, like all directors do. The way I see it, his vision could have included just brown-skinned Egyptians and white-skinned Jews, which would fit the "popular image" of this setting, but thankfully, he went with a more historically-accurate approach. The middle east is a very diverse place with tons of different ethnicities, and it's been this way for a very long time. Now, it would be questionable if he did something like what they did with the Lone Ranger reboot, where they casted Johnny Depp in facepaint as a Native American, but Ridley Scott doesn't strike me as the kind of director who would do something like this.
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androbot01 wrote:
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The way I see it, his vision could have included just brown-skinned Egyptians and white-skinned Jews, which would fit the "popular image" of this setting, but thankfully, he went with a more historically-accurate approach. The middle east is a very diverse place with tons of different ethnicities, and it's been this way for a very long time.
So if the middle east is diverse in terms of it's population's diversity, then why would you assume that the rulers and people with power are white? Are you saying that in a ethnically diverse environment white people will automatically be in the positions of authority?
I'm not. Where did you get that from?
1) the movie depicts white people in roles of those in authority and blacks as lesser characters.
2) "he went with a more historically accurate approach."
= it is historically accurate that white people held the positions of authority
(Please note that I failed logic and reasoning so that could be the problem.)
1) "the middle east was ethnically diverse"
2) the white people held positions of authority
= in an ethnically diverse environment white people will become the rulers.
See how scary my mind is? I have to live with this.
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02 Dec 2014, 5:17 am
androbot01 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
The way I see it, his vision could have included just brown-skinned Egyptians and white-skinned Jews, which would fit the "popular image" of this setting, but thankfully, he went with a more historically-accurate approach. The middle east is a very diverse place with tons of different ethnicities, and it's been this way for a very long time.
So if the middle east is diverse in terms of it's population's diversity, then why would you assume that the rulers and people with power are white? Are you saying that in a ethnically diverse environment white people will automatically be in the positions of authority?
I'm not. Where did you get that from?
1) the movie depicts white people in roles of those in authority and blacks as lesser characters.
2) "he went with a more historically accurate approach."
= it is historically accurate that white people held the positions of authority
(Please note that I failed logic and reasoning so that could be the problem.)
1) "the middle east was ethnically diverse"
2) the white people held positions of authority
= in an ethnically diverse environment white people will become the rulers.
See how scary my mind is? I have to live with this.
I'll admit, I wasn't paying attention to who was playing who. I just assumed that people were getting riled up because the casting was more multicultural than they expected. If Exodus is really cast in such a way that all of the characters that are portrayed as being powerful are white, then I might be a bit suspicious. I have not seen the movie yet, so I don't really know. More than likely, if it's the case, then it's just a case of simple inaccuracy, rather than anything racially-motivated. I mean, it's not like Mel Gibson is involved.
EDIT: I just read the original post, and now I see what the situation really is. It's a shame that such a great director has to work with such racist asshats. I can't see it stopping me from watching it though; if it's a good movie, it's a good movie.
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More than likely, if it's the case, then it's just a case of simple inaccuracy, rather than anything racially-motivated. I mean, it's not like Mel Gibson is involved.
If Gibson was involved he would have played God.
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EDIT: I just read the original post, and now I see what the situation really is. It's a shame that such a great director has to work with such racist asshats. I can't see it stopping me from watching it though; if it's a good movie, it's a good movie.
The movie hasn't even come out yet. People are just reacting to the previews and the cast choices.
Personally, I would have liked to have seen Samuel L. Jackson as Ramses.
