150 dead after Germanwings jet crashes in the French Alps

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26 Mar 2015, 8:20 am

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What if it now turns out that the pilot had Aspergers? Would you like it if people asume that everyone with Aspergers are psychopaths?

What if we don't make baseless assumptions that merely add more anxiety to an already dreadful situation?

That was never my intention; I was just using it as an example to try to get my point across. Obviously it can be difficult for some people to imagine how it must feel for Muslims to immediately get blamed whenever something happens in the world. So I just used that as an example that they maybe could identify with. To understand the unfairness of getting blamed for things that has nothing to do with your own actions, but those of another. I never meant to add any anxiety.

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26 Mar 2015, 8:24 am

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... There should be some rule which does not allow pilots to lock each other out (e.g. the door is open-able from outside when locked with a spare key). Otherwise there is no way to avoid suicides like this … (same would be helpful to avoid terrorist-pilots too)

Cockpit doors have three modes: (1) Unlocked; (2) Locked, but unlockable; and (3) 911 Lockdown.

That last mode is induced by a person in the cockpit to prevent terrorists from getting in. It is essentially the same as throwing a deadbolt or a bar across the door.

Once you compromise the 911 lockdown mode, you've made it possible for terrorists to enter the cockpit. Keys can be stolen. Cypher locks can be bypassed. Passwords can be forgotten.

We've made planes safer from terrorists posing as passengers and taking over. Now we have to make the pilots safer, and prevent them from deviating from the flight plan.

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26 Mar 2015, 8:29 am

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(Kitty can't into the jokey.)

Nope, I can't. I don't think it was funny or appropiate.

That the idiot couldn't just have killed himself and left everyone else alone, I cannot fathom this.

There are not that many ways to kill yourself in painless way. Suicide pills or guns are mostly unavailable, so crashing "your" plane in a mountain seems like a fairly painless way to go. They should really make it easier to end your own life instead of making people do desperate things like this, or jumping in front of a train (which is extremely traumatising for the train operator). This seems a bit of a copycat suicide of that plane that went into the sea.

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26 Mar 2015, 8:41 am

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So murdering 149 extra people is an acceptable loss, as long as it is painless for the callous murderer? People were screaming the last minutes; they knew they were going to die. Nobody made him do it; he himself thought he was worth more than all those poor 149 people. Nobody is to blame but him, and whatever people ever let him fly a plane.
If someone wants to kill themselves there is always a way, only a psycho coward takes others with him.

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26 Mar 2015, 8:44 am

I have suspected terrorist from when this first happened, maybe lone wolf

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26 Mar 2015, 8:46 am

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Of course it's wrong what he did, but when people are depressed and have already decided they want to die they can do everything since they are going to die anyway. If someone had given him a gun with one bullet things might not have happened this way. Btw, the EXTREME media attention for flight MH370 was so over the top, not surprising there are copycats now. Somehow they need to screen their pilots better for this crap because it will happen again probably.

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26 Mar 2015, 8:48 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

I have suspected terrorist from when this first happened, maybe lone wolf

I think a terrorist would have flown it into a building (which he could do, because he was the co-pilot and could operate the plane) or at least made some statement before flying into that mountain. Seems more like a copycat suicide to me.

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26 Mar 2015, 8:56 am

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Of course it's wrong what he did, but when people are depressed and have already decided they want to die they can do everything since they are going to die anyway.

A depressed person that has decided to take their own life doesn't automatically become a crazed homicidal that desires to take as many with them as possible. There are obviously other reasons for this happening that we don't know yet.

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26 Mar 2015, 9:01 am

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Of course it's wrong what he did, but when people are depressed and have already decided they want to die they can do everything since they are going to die anyway.

The guy was a pilot already, this is probably the most painless way for him to go, and when people are suicidal other people are sort of peripheral to them. The people who jump in front of trains know that it will traumatize the driver and they still do it regularly. And what easy ways to kill yourself are there really? Most suicide attempts fail. Not far from where I used to live someone jumped from a really high building and survived (of course severely disabled, this is really the worst outcome). Even people who jump in front of trains sometimes survive, of course without legs or arms, but they still failed. A suicidal pilot is sort of the worst case scenario, these people should be screened and receive help, or a gun with 1 bullet.

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26 Mar 2015, 9:05 am

Btw, is Bondkatten from a Scandinavian language?

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26 Mar 2015, 9:12 am

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I disagree with you. I think that most suicidal depressed people are not capable of hurting others. Depression is a disease that is not taken seriously; people should get the help they need to be able to live a good life. I don't believe that there are many people in the world that really want to die, more likely they want their pain and misery to die. I think that he had other motives.

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26 Mar 2015, 9:15 am

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Btw, is Bondkatten from a Scandinavian language?

Bondkatten (litterally the farm cat) is one of the words for the domesticated short-haired cat in swedish

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26 Mar 2015, 9:18 am

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Btw, is Bondkatten from a Scandinavian language?

Bondkatten (litterally the farm cat) is one of the words for the domesticated short-haired cat in swedish

Ah, katten is Dutch for cats (plural). Bontkatten (with t) would mean something like "cats used for fur", which is fortunately not the meaning of bondkatten

At least cats always cheer me up.

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26 Mar 2015, 9:27 am

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Ah, katten is Dutch for cats (plural). Bontkatten (with t) would mean something like "cats used for fur", which is fortunately not the meaning of bondkatten

At least cats always cheer me up.

De kat krabt de krullen van de trap

My boyfriend is from the Netherlands , so I understand a little Dutch, One day I will attempt to learn it properly...I hope

I can agree completely with your statement about cats cheering one up

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26 Mar 2015, 9:28 am

I suppose the pilot was probably dead pretty quickly, but not the passengers. Sick bastard!

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26 Mar 2015, 9:34 am

Fnord wrote:

We've made planes safer from terrorists posing as passengers and taking over. Now we have to make the pilots safer, and prevent them from deviating from the flight plan.

No, pilots must always be able to deviate from the flight plan. There are a huge range of contingencies in which it is necessary and normal to deviate from the flight plan. What they need to do is safegaurd against this specific problem.

Under FAA rules, this would not have happened because the guy would never have been alone on the flight deck. Or, to be more precise, he would have had to incapacitate the other person on the flight deck before commandeering the aircraft and using it as a suicide device and the need to assault a member of the crew is likely to have a higher inhibitory threshold than just pointing the nose down and waiting.

There are a number of cases of mass murder/suicide by pilot, including (in all likelihood) MH370, but not so many in the US.

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