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australia banned assault weapons and their mass shootings stopped.

I think we may have a lot more already out on the street and a lot more ways for them to get in illegally than Austrailia does. They would get them and if they didn't know how, then the internet is full of ways folks can build bombs. That might actually be more destructive and more people might lean toward doing it because you can plant it and leave and not take the chance on getting killed. So,I don't think banning in the US would cause much of anything. Maybe a very, very small drop.

If there's logic there it's not very practical. I'm not going to start carrying a revolver in favor of an automatic and neither will most anyone else that carries an auto. There are reasons why semiautos are popular.


"Assault weapon" is a legal term, not a technical one and there is a difference. What you're calling an assault weapon is usually an AR-15 or an AK-47 or AK-74 variant which are all semi auto versions of select fire weapons. Being semiauto they only fire one shot at a time. One round for each pull of the trigger. AR's and AK's are very prolific in the US and not just with whackos.What's boosted their popularity the most is the repeated threats to ban them. The AR-15 has been available to John Q. Citizen since about 1963 but was not particularly common until they were legislatively threatened in more recent decades.


A semiauto of even halfway decent quality will very rarely if ever ever experienced a stoppage (jam). Most all of the stoppages I've witnessed in other shooters have been due to what we call "limp wristing". This is when a semiauto handgun isn't gripped firmly enough to give the recoiling mechanism a solid enough buttress to recoil against, hence inducing a short-cycle. This is usually frail bodied and/or frail minded women (sometimes frail bodied/minded men) but it can be easily corrected, assuming the handgun isn't a real beast recoil-wise. It is also most common with the lighter weight polymer framed handguns (Glock, Smith & Wesson M&P, Springfield XD, etc.
It does not call for a death-grip, just a firm one.

There are other factors (bad magazine, sh***y ammo to name a few) but it seems like with semiauto handguns that "limp writing" causes most of the stoppages. I have semiauto handguns that have seen thousands of rounds without a single stoppage of any kind. Few of mine have ever had issues and those that did were easy to identify and remedy. Those issues were, again, usually sh***y ammo or a damaged magazine. I would never use cheap ammo or a beat up mag for my carry piece.

I have seen revolvers hang up, too. This can be caused by the ejector rod becoming loose and rotating enough times to lock the cylinder into the frame to where it can't be reloaded. Also internal parts breakage. A fairly common user induced failure is when the shooter tries to fire double action too fast and short-stroke the trigger.

All in all revolvers ARE more reliable but not by that much. With that little added reliability they offer is a tradeoff, though.


It's all in the skill of the operator.

Not trying to troll you but I think your husband needs to grow up a little.

apologies about my last post. i was confusing the harvard study with this one:

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/new-texa ... ase-crime/

Australia banned damn near every gun that's even remotely fun. I myself don't believe in trading freedom for safety and I have no use for anyone that would.

I'll be eager to see what your response will be when they have another mass shooting in Australia anyway. Did you know that mass shootings themselves are "banned" over here, too.

I know you aren't trolling. He's never liked them. He grew up up North in a state where guns were illegal and his dad wasn't a hunter and there were no guns. He had a big gun stuck in his face when he was 16 years old working in a gas station and has been sh*****g his pants over them ever since. You would THINK it would make him go the other way, but no. He has never even shot a hand gun. Won't. It's an irrational fear and he knows it. I'm actually doing ok without a handgun. I mean I don't actually need to have access to something like that now. I'm too moody. I'm too tempermental and don't actually think I would be able to control myself if I was in a situation where it was an iffy call. I know I would go for it and get myself put in prison. We have long guns, and thats enough for me.

Also, I know my feelings about automatics aren't rational. It's just an irrational prejudice I have against them. I know it's likely NOT to happen but I always imagine the worst. Let me ride in the car with you while you are driving on the freeway and you will see another irrational way I have of thinking the worst is ABOUT TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW in action. Unless you are extremely patient, you will put me out. I just have my likes and dislikes. Although I'll probably never own another handgun in my life.

I like the look of them better too and the action of them. I can see the mechanics of it as well. It's just smoother seeming to me. Same way I prefer a pump shotgun. I just have what I like and the feel I like. I'm NOT saying one is better than the other, I'm only stating MY preference if I were to buy something for myself.

I like revolvers too.

But... assault weapon is a style of shooting, using whatever firepower you have to disorient your target while closing in for a killing shot.

Robert Heinline advised that if you have to draw, do not wait till you have a center of mass target, put one before their feet, recoil will bring you up to a kill shot, and lead plowing the ground before them, will cause most to look down.

Also, anyone worth shooting once, is even more worthy of second thru it just clicks.

Even a heart shot, they will continue functioning for 30 seconds. I just saw a video of a store clerk who shot a robber several times. The robber ran out, and two blocks down the street before he fell and died.

Saw another where a guy with a shotgun was robbing a store, took a 9mm to the leg and only developed a limp. Hopping around, he brought up the shotgun and took another in the other leg, he sat down and brought up the gun again, which got him several in the chest. The guy who shot him shot and said, drop the gun, shot again and said drop the gun, as the shotgun was again coming to point at him he killed the robber. The defender was almost killed.

Assault shooting, Combat shooting, does not have to do with the weapon, it has to do with reducing the threat.

Bounce one off the floor and keep shooting on the way up. Just because they drop does not mean they quit, they still have a gun, or one near them on the floor, and you can be dead in a half second. They could be wearing a vest, a bullet will knock them down, but not out.

Once you start shooting someone, it is no time for movie talk, or to stop shooting before it just clicks when you pull the trigger.

Also from actual videos, shooters just stand there? Giving a full body standing target in the open when shooting someone is not good. Drop to the ground, hide behind something, even if it would not stop a bullet. Do not be a standing still fully outlined target. If in the open, hit and get, fire and jump right, fire again and jump two steps left, keep moving and shooting. They will target where you were, and where they think you will be, don't be there.

The first Assault Rifle was the M1 Garand. It was the first combat self loading, just pull the trigger, and unleash eight rounds of American Freedom, one at a time. The Colt Model 1911 had more fire power, but being a pistol it had no place for a bayonet. Also from the WWI era, the Thompson Machine Gun, also in .45 acp Caliber, with 30 shot clips, a 50 shot drum, that rarely worked, that at 11 pounds and full auto, was a short fast, Assault weapon. It was nicknamed The Trench Broom. They were also the weapon of choice for Chinese human wave charges in Korea.

So for all the evil military weapons that killed everybody on earth, or at least one wound for every 10,000 rounds fired, a modern semi auto pistol and a pocket full of clips has more firepower.

A recent news story, the New York Police shot at a robber 87 times, and hit him once. Sometime before that at the Empire State Building, they shot at a guy on the sidewalk, hit three pedestrians, and killed one.

Truth is, almost all police have never fired their weapon on duty. They train on static targets, that black and white bulls eye in the spotlight. Someone walking is a much harder target. Someone ducking behind pedestrians, garbage cans, cars, light posts, mail boxes, who never stops and stands still, is much harder to hit.

So in a gunfight, do be the erratic moving target, and when you do pause, take an aimed shot, then quickly vacate that space. Assault shooting is using what cover or movement make you a harder target. Use your firepower to keep them from shooting you, and always remembering that the point of this is to kill them at least twice.

Once is because they are a threat to your life, the reason you are shooting them, and twice because wounded people who were committing a Felony, will sue you and win. They were just showing you a gun they had for sale, and you went all weird and shot them. They will now spend life in a wheel chair, and you should pay because Juries are made up of inner city registered voters. Lawyers strike all with an IQ over 80.

Killing people is not a nice thing to do, so at least make a good job of it, you do not want them to suffer all the way to a hospital and call a lawyer.

Ammo is cheaper than funerals and lawyers, and as the old pirate said, "Dead men tell no tales."

I actually favor revolvers and bolt action rifles for myself, but if some responsible person wants semi-autos, more power to them!
I have noticed something on these various posts about gun control and the latest shooting that I find interesting
A) I have posted on several of these that I live on a ranch surrounded by wilderness, and guns that are necessary for protection. They choose to ignore these statements and continue on and on about how evil guns are.
B) These same anti-gun people, who only want cops to have guns, are also the self-same ones who demonize cops as being brutal, rights violating thugs. Isn't this hypocrisy?

I'm yet to understand this preference people have for being murdered individually v. being murdered in a group. Mass shootings are an insignificant fraction of the total number of murders committed each year, so why so much focus on them? Is it because it's usually white people who get killed, whereas murder victims are often of a darker hue?

Because mass shootings are bigger news than individual murders and they are much more common than they used to be. Also, most people who do those use assault weapons while I would imagine that the more individual murders are committed with handguns. The assault weapons thing is a big issue. It's not like you really NEED that for home protection, not unless you are the shittiest shot in the world or just love overkill. But, I have no problem with somebody having one for it. I think you could probably do just as well with a good 12 g shotgun because you aren't going to be faced with a whole pack of bandits in a robbery usually. However, it could come in handy and they are a lot of fun to shoot. But you would cut a deer slap in half with one so it's not great for hunting I wouldn't think.

Because A) Shooting people by the bushel makes for good T.V. ratings (If it bleeds, it leads!) and B) Most of those individual 'dark colored' murders are black on black and we're not supposed to talk about that because it's racist.

Also, lots of individual murders are of criminals by criminals, so they don't really play that up because people think "Who cares, they got what they deserve" even though it's not always the case. When someone is killed by an intruder or in a robbery it's news. Or a murder suicide or something like that, but when they think the victim is a criminal or guilty of something else, they don't play it up. It's just a blurb.

First off, that just sounds irresponsible. Secondly, there's not enough recoil in any kind of defensive handgun (or even a shotgun) to rely on it climbing from the ground to the target as you fire. Get the first shot at least into the torso and go from there with the goal being to shoot to neutralise. If there are witnesses (including security cameras) it's not going to go well for you if it appears that you were trying to execute someone as opposed to stopping them.


If you're engaged in the open fire right then and if possible retreat to cover while keeping the weapon up and still firing on the threat.

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The M-1 Garand is a battle rifle, not an assault rifle. The first assault rifles was the WW2 German sturmgewehr (storm rifle) series (MkB-42, MP-43, StG-44).
The Thompson submachinegun was a post-WW1 development.
Rifles and handguns are two entirely different animals.


Most cops arent gun people and don't shoot recreationally, only for training and qualification. Anyone who frequently engages in recreational shooting and improves as they go will be better shots. It always amazes me when these anti-gun yahoos insisted that police are small arms experts and that I would be totally helpless in a defensive situation where a firearm is involved.

For a while I lived in an apartment just outside of a black district. The distant sound of gunfire from that direction (followed by sirens) was not uncommon. It must have all been in my imagination, though. I'd be a racist if I really heard it. That's not even going into all the reports of muggings, knifings, carjackings, rape B&E, etc, in that part of town but I guess that was all just rumor, eh?

I grew up in a really rough area. Basically the hood. West End in Birmingham Alabama. After about the early to mid 70's it got bad. Really bad. We heard gunshots and sirens and all kinds of stuff every night. It was about half black and half white in the mid 70's but it got to be mostly black by the mid 80's, and both groups there, black and white, were mostly poor except for some of the people who had lived there for decades and hadn't left yet, they were working class and lower middle class. We had guns all over that house. My grandmother slept with one under her pillow and there were two loaded shotguns in the bedrooms. We kind of needed it. Never had to use it, but had neighbors that did.

I was also hanging out with a big group of mainly white criminals that still pretty much had a hold on most of the bigger stuff then so I got left alone really. I knew all the bad folks and would walk around at night by myself or with a dog or I'd have something or other to defend myself if I thought about it, but never had to use it.

But yeah, bad areas are scary. Since I grew up where I did, I've never had a problem walking around or driving through or parking and going in in any area, bad or worse or middle of the road. I just walk with confidence and I'm usually not bothered. But I don't make a habit of it, and nowdays if I go someplace like that in Bham I take something to defend myself with if need be. We don't have areas like that in my town, so I don't worry.