Dept of Education fights for shower access for trans student

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As a trans woman who desperately needs sex reassignment surgery, I would NEVER go wiggling it around! It is repugnant to me already and gives a completely wrong impression of me!

As a kid, that was also so.

If the trans girl in question is embarrassed about her "wrong parts" then why is she fighting to be allowed to show them to all the biological girls at her school? The school provided her a private shower, but she doesn't want that. She seems to want everyone to see her junk.

Would it actually be seen by others in the locker room?

So how would they stop a boy who started dressing as a girl just to have access to the girls locker room? I am sure there will be at least one boy in the school who is perverted enough to try using a trick like that. If you accused him of being a liar then the school would get sued.

Because there are rules against such things. Also, read my post about what most schools make trans kids & their families go through even in the very most liberal/progressive of districts. Your fantasy is just that; it's not at all what happens - or can happen - in a real school.

The community of parents-of-trans-kids just isn't that big and we only have a few places where we congregate and share info and support. The girl in that video has consistently identified as such since she could assert her own identity. And her parents have ensured she has seen the appropriate therapists, etc., to ensure there are no co-morbid conditions that might mimic being trans.

She's actually getting the hormones her body needs to regulate serotonin and to develop correctly. And insofar as the "craziness" of giving kids hormones - most girls her age have had estrogen for several years by the time she got it. The difference is that her body didn't make the right hormones. She's been under a pediatric endocrinologist's care for some time now, first on blockers and now finally on the correct hormones, by *prescription*.

The "lack of father figure" crap is just that, and died along with the Blank Slate theory of the 1970's btw.

Well, since schools are one step above prisons nowadays, then why not follow the prison assignment rule? Namely, if you have a penis, regardless of how the rest of your body looks like, you go to the men's facility. If you have a vagina, you go to the women's facility, the rest of the body be damned. Plain and simple. Pre-op or post-op, doesn't matter. The locker room is determined by your existing sex organs.

Of course, there's a matter of where to send the hermaphrodites, but this thread is about trans people.

Biden has said "transgender rights is the civil rights issue of our time".

Father figure stuff is crap. I grew up with both parents. I'm still trans.

Also, on putting ppl based on genitals, are you going to support coverage for surgery.

I have nothing against the concept of transgenderism.

As long as it only concerns those over 18.
As long as no effort is made to influence children with it.
As long as it doesn't impose upon others righs and beliefs i.e "learn my pronouns, shitlord".


Bathroom and shower issues do affect others against their will.
Children are being influenced by it through the new marxist school literature which pushes these issues quite aggressively. Elsewhere in the media too, it is being touted as something trendy now, disguising it as "representation".

Children soak up what they're exposed to. To then make it seem like a sensible thing to put a pre-pubertal teen on puberty blockers or hormones is quite simply insane. There is no way to justify it. Call me every -phobic in the book if you will but I will never condone influencing children like this to make irreversible decisions in a time in their life where they don't know left from right and are influenced very easily.

I don't mind adults who make these decisions for themselves, that's none of my business, but when concerning children, I reserve my right to speak up against it.

From your reply I think perhaps you may be under-informed as to what transgender/transsexual actually means. Your wording seems to imply it has to do with sexuality: however, they are two independent aspects of a person and the relevant brain & endocrine sites are different between the two & develop at different times. Trans children know who they are (ie sex/gender) at the same age as other kids, normally @ 3-5 years old, and develop who they are attracted to (their sexuality) at the same age as others, too; at puberty. Both are set while a fetus developing in utero.

Human beings, like most mammals are sex-dimorphic. We all know the most obvious differences between the two general categories of "male" and "female", but some people don't realize that for any attribute or body site that shows such differences, each person exists somewhere on a continuum between the two extremes. Biologically, there is no one at the far "male" or "female" extremes for all attributes or sites. But beyond the obvious ones, science and medicine now know of 20+ such sites in the brain, dozens more in the endocrine-receptor system, and the skeletal system. Including the location of your sense of Self and your brain's hard wired, low level map of the body all those nerves are connected to.

Sometimes, very rarely, that second set of attributes and sites do not develop in the same direction on that spectrum as the first set (the "obvious" ones that everyone thinks of). There are people who indeed have primary sex characteristics that are "female" (-ish, it's a spectrum) but a "male" (-ish, again) brain, skeleton and certain endocrine receptors (such as those used to regulate serotonin). And vice-versa, of course. In the world of developmental biologists, endocrinologists, geneticists and neurologists, those people are known as, "transgender". Their identity of sex/gender developed - in utero - opposite the one site used to assign sex at birth.

I've met probably a few hundred parents of transgender kids. With exceedingly few exceptions, they did not in any way "lead" their kids. Rather, it was the other way around. As a rule parents resist, they deny, they refuse to accept until it becomes clear that a) their child is not going to change, b) they educate themselves by reading the medical research & guidelines, and other parents and sometimes, c) it becomes clear that by forcing their child to live as the wrong sex/gender they are going to cause harm or damage.

These demands by transgenders are unreasonable, considering that there are private facilities provided for them.
Forcing their way into the girls bathroom and locker room is not going to get them generally accepted as their preferred genders or help their cause.

Well good thing he isn't running! Not that it would matter because Trump would still annihilate him.

What's missing too often is the acknowledgement that in these cases there are more than two options. If someone born with male genetics and parts who also has a feminine nature, that simply makes him a different kind of man - not someone born with female genetics and parts.

Women's restrooms, showers, lockers, etc were not just invented for sexism, but because people born with female parts are quite often subjected to inappropriate, hostile, lewd, and violent acts by people born with male parts. Feminine men (feminine gender/male parts), and masculine women (masculine gender/female parts), are not being discriminated against because they are who they are (people whose gender is nonconforming to their sex), but not who they aren't.

Women (and men) are justifiably upset over the attempt to place fantasy and politics over the realities people born with female parts have to live with every day. I certainly wouldn't use a restroom that was "mixed sex", unless it was a one-stall-with-a-door-lock kind of thing.

"What about the rights of the white people who have to share a restaurant with a black person?"
This is what you sound like right now. Discrimination is not a right.


This isn't even a thing that happens. Transitioning is difficult and courageous; twice as courageous as the average teenage white boy could ever dream of being.


Are you saying that's a good thing? You're not, right?

Check your assumptive privilege.

I'm now transgender, and that applies retroactively.

Thanks for thinking I'm courageous, though.