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06 Nov 2015, 5:13 pm

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I like Carson. I like Cruz a lot more, but I could at least consider Carson.

He said it was a personal theory. How many of us have personal theories based on minimal evidence?

Pyramids were built over several centuries and over 118 have been identified.

Is it really that crazy to say some of them may have been built as granaries? I'd say it'd be crazy to eliminate that possibility.




The pyramids were hundreds of acre-feet of stone, but only had a few cubic yards of usable space (in the form of narrow passageways, and small crypts.

Yes, it actually IS kinda crazy to think that such a massive structure with such a microscopic amount of storage capacity like that could have been used as a grain silo.





Not sayin' you shouldnt vote for they guy.



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06 Nov 2015, 5:50 pm

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I like Carson. I like Cruz a lot more, but I could at least consider Carson.

He said it was a personal theory. How many of us have personal theories based on minimal evidence?

Pyramids were built over several centuries and over 118 have been identified.

Is it really that crazy to say some of them may have been built as granaries? I'd say it'd be crazy to eliminate that possibility.

Ben Carson "personal theory" was what peoples believed in middle age, after centuries of archaeology it's just clearly false. Believing crazy "personal theories" based on little evidences or dogma rather that what experts concluded after years of research is not something I would like to see from the president of the most powerful country of the planet.



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07 Nov 2015, 8:21 pm

His theory is medieval, as much as it is, and that's far more dangeeous, trying to account for bible stories.
I wonder if yet another religious fundamentalist is a good idea, right now.

Also, they tend to be easily outwitted by capitalism. ...


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08 Nov 2015, 8:05 am

Carson will come and go as many GOP flavor of the months do, way too religious

he literally believes Earth was in 6 days 6000 years ago

the media took it easy on him until now



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20 Nov 2015, 2:58 pm

Tollorin wrote:
looniverse wrote:
I like Carson. I like Cruz a lot more, but I could at least consider Carson.

He said it was a personal theory. How many of us have personal theories based on minimal evidence?

Pyramids were built over several centuries and over 118 have been identified.

Is it really that crazy to say some of them may have been built as granaries? I'd say it'd be crazy to eliminate that possibility.

Ben Carson "personal theory" was what peoples believed in middle age, after centuries of archaeology it's just clearly false. Believing crazy "personal theories" based on little evidences or dogma rather that what experts concluded after years of research is not something I would like to see from the president of the most powerful country of the planet.


You must never be wrong. How does it feel?

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/scientists ... fantastic/

Don't let science be your religion.



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20 Nov 2015, 3:45 pm

So you have linked us to an article that shows that science is self-correcting like its supposed to be.

Your point?



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20 Nov 2015, 5:15 pm

He believes that the Earth is 6000 years old. So why are y'all so shocked that he thinks that the Pharoahs took all that trouble and labour to build the pyramids to store grain ?

What is more concerning to me is that this dude actually managed to graduate medical school. Goes to show that common science and book knowledge are indeed mutually exclusive.


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21 Nov 2015, 12:04 am

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And Hillary Clinton believes that she can converse with Eleanor Roosevelt. Is that more rational?

Probably more rationale than Ronnie Reagan's conversations with astrologers



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21 Nov 2015, 12:13 am

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He believes that the Earth is 6000 years old. So why are y'all so shocked that he thinks that the Pharoahs took all that trouble and labour to build the pyramids to store grain ?

What is more concerning to me is that this dude actually managed to graduate medical school. Goes to show that common science and book knowledge are indeed mutually exclusive.


What is perhaps more concerning is that 3 out 4 Americans believe the bible is the word of god and around 63% believe in the literal meaning of the scriptures. It seems mental illness in relation to fictional stories is not endemic to muslim countries...In this respect it seems odd to pick on Carson as he merely reflects views held by mainstream Americans...



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21 Nov 2015, 12:50 am

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What is more concerning to me is that this dude actually managed to graduate medical school. Goes to show that common science and book knowledge are indeed mutually exclusive.


Eh, surgery is a skill, not a talent, and competency in it isn't really a marker of intelligence so much as it is one of intense study and good hand eye coordination. Reminds me of a guy I once worked for who spoke 5 languages due to a lot of travel in his youth, but was dumb as a box of rocks; always threw people off who were initially dazzled by the fluency and couldn't square it with what he actually said.


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21 Nov 2015, 1:09 am

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HisMom wrote:
What is more concerning to me is that this dude actually managed to graduate medical school. Goes to show that common science and book knowledge are indeed mutually exclusive.


Eh, surgery is a skill, not a talent, and competency in it isn't really a marker of intelligence so much as it is one of intense study and good hand eye coordination. Reminds me of a guy I once worked for who spoke 5 languages due to a lot of travel in his youth, but was dumb as a box of rocks; always threw people off who were initially dazzled by the fluency and couldn't square it with what he actually said.


My son has severe (and global) apraxia, and it appears that cognition / fine motor skills / hand-eye coordination are, indeed, closely related, to the extent that deficits in one may accurately reflect deficits in the other. Carson, therefore, must be very intelligent.

So, he stands testimony to the idea that book smarts != common sense. His beliefs leave me confounded, coming from a supposed "man of science".


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21 Nov 2015, 1:21 am

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What is perhaps more concerning is that 3 out 4 Americans believe the bible is the word of god and around 63% believe in the literal meaning of the scriptures. It seems mental illness in relation to fictional stories is not endemic to muslim countries...In this respect it seems odd to pick on Carson as he merely reflects views held by mainstream Americans...


3 out 4 Americans are not men of medicine (a science, if ever there was one) or running for President.

As for mental illness not being endemic to Muslim countries, well, any place on Earth whose residents act on the literal interpretations of their individual Scriptures can corner a share of the market on mental illness.


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21 Nov 2015, 2:19 am

HisMom wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
What is perhaps more concerning is that 3 out 4 Americans believe the bible is the word of god and around 63% believe in the literal meaning of the scriptures. It seems mental illness in relation to fictional stories is not endemic to muslim countries...In this respect it seems odd to pick on Carson as he merely reflects views held by mainstream Americans...


3 out 4 Americans are not men of medicine (a science, if ever there was one) or running for President.

As for mental illness not being endemic to Muslim countries, well, any place on Earth whose residents act on the literal interpretations of their individual Scriptures can corner a share of the market on mental illness.


In the survey of 1,044 doctors nationwide in the US, 76 percent said they believe in God and 55 percent said their religious beliefs influence how they practice medicine.

The US national academy of science found 55% of US scientists believe in god but that's still lower than 95% of the US population who believe in a god/diety



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21 Nov 2015, 3:41 am

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In the survey of 1,044 doctors nationwide in the US, 76 percent said they believe in God and 55 percent said their religious beliefs influence how they practice medicine.

The US national academy of science found 55% of US scientists believe in god but that's still lower than 95% of the US population who believe in a god/diety


People are entitled to their "beliefs" as long as those beliefs do not *adversely* impact another person's life, limb or property.

This is where a politician differs from the common (wo)man. An individual in a position of authority to pass and enforce laws, implement policies, direct armed forces, and promote agendas has the ability to influence - beneficially or adversely - the outcomes of every sphere of life, from education to international trade, of the populace that they "rule" over or represent. Thus, a politician's biases / agendas / beliefs are more important to consider and question, as they have far-reaching consequences on the populace than the beliefs or the biases of an individual doctor, lawyer or a scientist. Your neighbourhood pediatrician's personal belief systems matter, but not to the extent that your local elected representative's will.

And, your local pediatrician or dentist or school teacher has the right to his or her beliefs as long as they don't result in malpractice. Unfortunately, while individual practitioners of medicine or law or education can and often are held accountable for their actions, that is not always the case with politicians, even when their "malpractice" has had a significant and adverse global impact.


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21 Nov 2015, 4:27 am

cyberdad wrote:
HisMom wrote:
He believes that the Earth is 6000 years old. So why are y'all so shocked that he thinks that the Pharoahs took all that trouble and labour to build the pyramids to store grain ?

What is more concerning to me is that this dude actually managed to graduate medical school. Goes to show that common science and book knowledge are indeed mutually exclusive.


What is perhaps more concerning is that 3 out 4 Americans believe the bible is the word of god and around 63% believe in the literal meaning of the scriptures. It seems mental illness in relation to fictional stories is not endemic to muslim countries...In this respect it seems odd to pick on Carson as he merely reflects views held by mainstream Americans...


This might shock you:
Religious and devout Muslims are more accepting of evolution and the 4.5 billions years old earth than religious and devout Christians.

But fewer that may believe in the evolution of man.

Many muslims believe that Earth was created by God way before Adam and had already creatures dwelled and evolved on it.
Some argue that Adam was created in the same form as the modern man while others argue that perhaps Adam was a humanoid and humans later evolved to modern humans.



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21 Nov 2015, 5:14 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
HisMom wrote:
He believes that the Earth is 6000 years old. So why are y'all so shocked that he thinks that the Pharoahs took all that trouble and labour to build the pyramids to store grain ?

What is more concerning to me is that this dude actually managed to graduate medical school. Goes to show that common science and book knowledge are indeed mutually exclusive.


What is perhaps more concerning is that 3 out 4 Americans believe the bible is the word of god and around 63% believe in the literal meaning of the scriptures. It seems mental illness in relation to fictional stories is not endemic to muslim countries...In this respect it seems odd to pick on Carson as he merely reflects views held by mainstream Americans...


This might shock you:
Religious and devout Muslims are more accepting of evolution and the 4.5 billions years old earth than religious and devout Christians.

But fewer that may believe in the evolution of man.

Many muslims believe that Earth was created by God way before Adam and had already creatures dwelled and evolved on it.
Some argue that Adam was created in the same form as the modern man while others argue that perhaps Adam was a humanoid and humans later evolved to modern humans.


Not shocking at all...in the middle ages Europe went through a renaissance and the power of religious institutions was slowly dismantled and the separation of state and religion. Muslim dominated countries have still not gone through this, however individual muslims living in western countries are learning about science and slowly a few of them realise that worshipping a meteorite stone in Mecca (which is compulsory) is not much better than christians praying to a crucifix and imagining god as an old bearded man in the sky...