transgender student OKed for locker room access

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Without any further information to back up either opinion, an alternate assumption is that those parents hold the view that a trans female equates to a deviant male.

That's Trans privileges, not rights.

The boy in question is getting special privileges to take his biological male body into a locker room meant for biological females only.

If he was fighting for all of us biological males to be allowed to do the same, then he might be seen as fighting for rights.

So much misunderstanding of what it means to be transgender, and some transphobia, in this thread. Very sad but genuinely reflective of America today, I think.

What do you all think about this one?

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2015/10/07/t ... om-lawsuit

Dear NurseAngela,
The gym's locker and shower facilities where I go have extremely varied age groups...the Center has many children's teams, the kids shower afterwards, especially the swim teams, plural.

Starting early in the morning, all pools are open, including the Therapy/Seniors pool.

All of the senior ladies shower, before and after their swims. Many girls and women completely undress and redress in the locker area(I do my dressing in the shower stall).

To suddenly see that one of the naked people walking around is biologically male would not be fair to any of us........not the 8-10-year-old girls, not the 60-70-year-old women, none of us.

Has anyone noticed that there have not been complaints from any women who identify as male who wish to use men's bathrooms or dressing rooms?

Perhaps they are just more considerate of others' feelings, and plan to use the appropriate facilities when the surgeries are complete?

The reason I posted this article is because I wonder if this ruling will then go to all adult places (like this gym) and how do you know that some men aren't going to abuse the privilege and say they are transgender when they really aren't?

Agreed.

And its saying that if the girls feel uncomfortable then they can use privacy curtains for showering.

I think that is taking away from the girls' right to be able to feel comfortable in their own locker room. One person feeling uncomfortable to probably a class of 20 girls - the one person should just go change in a separate bathroom. But since such a big deal is being made out of it, I bet this kid is going to be the laughing stock of the whole school. We never dealt with this kind of stuff when I was in high school. And if it did come to men being able to enter women's restrooms and lockerrooms like in the article I posted, I'd fight it tooth and nail and that place would lose my business. Things are just getting way out of hand these days.

And you know what? You're the idiot. I'm tired of people throwing names out around here if someone decides to disagree with them. So no, you are the idiot.

Being "comfortable" isn't a right. There were plenty of people in the 1960's who were uncomfortable with using the same drinking fountain as a black person.



Spamming the world "biological" doesn't make you any less wrong. If biology says she isn't a woman, or that transgendered men aren't men, then biology is wrong. I understand a lot of us on the spectrum have a passion for science, but misgendering people is a bad habit you need to break. It's stuff like this that makes it so hard for non-autistics to sympathize with us.

Cool it down on the "idiot" stuff, please Barchan and Nurse Angela, because repetition will be followed by a formal warning, and possibly a thread lock if things get out of hand. Now continue the debate in peace..

People have a right to privacy. A boy in a girls locker room makes no sense whatsoever. I don't care if it passed the courts or not. And I don't care of he's dressed like a girl or not - he is NOT a girl. It's meant to be a girls lockerroom - not coed. You know why society is getting so out of hand? Because people are afraid to voice their opinions - afraid someone is going to call them racist or homophobe. But you know what? I'm not afraid to voice my opinion. All this is is a total mess. Those girls do have rights - a right to their own freaking lockerroom where they shouldn't be the ones"hiding" behind a curtain - it should be him! Do you think a girl dressed like a guy could get away with being in a guys lockerroom with a whole bunch of jocks? She'd be a laughing farce. The Boy Scouts won't even let girls in. There's a limit to what should be tolerated - and this has gone way past the limit IMO.

"Biologically male" and "biologically female" mean...what, exactly?

A: Not as much as you think.

So if you want to really get technical and start using pseudo-scientific terms like, "biologically", at least know what the word means! Of the *hundreds* of sex dimorphic body parts, sites and attributes, only one is used by the birth doctor to assign sex for the paperwork. And that's just for convenience; they know full well they're not completely correct all the time. Over twenty sex-dimorphic sites are in the brain & correlate with sex/gender identity, not sex/gender assigned at birth. "Biologically," trans people are every bit as much the sex/gender they identify as, as they are the one assigned by the doctor. Brain, skeletal features, endocrine sites and attributes...if we're going to tally them up, they often far outweigh the one site you appear to be referencing.

What's going to happen with this is segregation - more than just men and women having separate bathrooms and lockerrooms. Take the gym article I posted - they'll look back at the case with this boy and the girls lockerroom and say if that passed then men dressed as women can also go into the women's lockerroom. Most women (including myself) wouldn't go for that so the only other option is to have an all women's gym. They already have Curves. The way I see it, this is going to set women back by taking away their rights and I'm not even a feminist.

And how does one know that the person is transgender and isn't just lying to get into the women's lockerroom? Are they going to be carrying a transgender card? Oh wait, we won't be able to ask them because that would be "profiling".

I'm going to assume you are trying to say that trans guys couldn't "get away" with being in a guys' locker room with a bunch of jocks.
You know, guys like Aydian Dowling. Or Shawn Stinson. Or Neo Sandja.
Fortunately, they really don't care what you say, and a lot of their fellow jocks don't, either.

Nicely done, Edenthiel.