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15 Apr 2007, 4:49 pm

Breast feeding a baby is natural. Why it makes people uncomfortable is beyond me.

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15 Apr 2007, 4:52 pm

jimservo wrote:

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My coworker's wife who
had the personality of a rattle snake only formula feed her baby at the time.

Do you ascribe this "rattlesnake" personality to her feeding her formula or for other reasons?

Other reasons. I just thought of her when I remembered the pro-breastfeeding add campaign about the same time she drove me home from work a few times.

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15 Apr 2007, 4:55 pm

1. Apatura, let me know if you want the instructions for Greasemonkey so that you too can ignore Jimservo's horrendous posts.
2. Perhaps McDonald's should be boycotted. That would bring huge national attention to this issue. The breastfeeding community I think is strong and political enough to get somewhere with this, don't you think?

That story makes me so angry I really need to not think about it and move on...if I were still breastfeeding I'd be right there with you though

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15 Apr 2007, 4:59 pm

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Make them starve until you have privacy?

1. Breast milk can be, using a pump, dispensed into containers for later use.
2. A bottle can also be used although I realize many for such things distasteful.

You don't know much about the practicalities of breastfeeding. Many, many women cannot pump milk. Milk only comes out freely from the woman's breast after "let down" starts, this is when the milk ducts release the milk. Often the only thing that will trigger let down is the baby suckling. I have breastfed 5 babies from 12-20 months each, and I was never able to pump more than an ounce because I simply never had the let down reaction to the pump.

And, once a baby is used to breastfeeding, oftentimes they will refuse a bottle. This can lead to some very frightening situations where a beastfeeding baby is for whatever reason separated from its mother and will not take a bottle (regardless of what is in it), and the baby cannot be properly nourished. What's worse, if you do manage to get a baby to take a bottle, oftentimes it will not go back to the breast. This is called "nipple confusion." 2 of my babies would not take a bottle, period, while breastfeeding. You can't force a baby to drink from something it refuses.

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15 Apr 2007, 5:06 pm

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1. Apatura, let me know if you want the instructions for Greasemonkey so that you too can ignore Jimservo's horrendous posts.

He is harmless.

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2. Perhaps McDonald's should be boycotted. That would bring huge national attention to this issue. The breastfeeding community I think is strong and political enough to get somewhere with this, don't you think?

They should be boycotted because their food is a trans-fatty nightmare.

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15 Apr 2007, 5:07 pm

Breastfeeding makes me uncomfortable but that doesn't make it wrong in my mind.

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15 Apr 2007, 5:13 pm

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Breastfeeding makes me uncomfortable but that doesn't make it wrong in my mind.

I'm really at a loss, how does it make you uncomfortable?

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15 Apr 2007, 5:30 pm

TruenoBlues wrote:

ahayes wrote:

Breastfeeding makes me uncomfortable but that doesn't make it wrong in my mind.

I'm really at a loss, how does it make you uncomfortable?

I don't know, it just does, it bothered me when my mom was doing it.

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15 Apr 2007, 5:32 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:

aylissa wrote:

1. Apatura, let me know if you want the instructions for Greasemonkey so that you too can ignore Jimservo's horrendous posts.

He is harmless.

aylissa wrote:

They should be boycotted because their food is a trans-fatty nightmare.

Why do you have to disagree with everybody?
And your post if off-topic anyway.

...and another one bites the dust...

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15 Apr 2007, 5:51 pm

Apatura, I appreciate your points on the "practicalities" of breast feeding. I must admit my expertise in that are...nonexistant. Now to think of that, I should have added that as a disclaimer of something, or asked for information (or searched).

Admittedly, my position on this issue isn't that strong anyway, so perhaps I will end up revising what position I do have.
set.

EDITED: Grammar

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15 Apr 2007, 5:51 pm

aylissa wrote:

TheMachine1 wrote:

aylissa wrote:

1. Apatura, let me know if you want the instructions for Greasemonkey so that you too can ignore Jimservo's horrendous posts.

He is harmless.

aylissa wrote:

They should be boycotted because their food is a trans-fatty nightmare.

Why do you have to disagree with everybody?
And your post if off-topic anyway.

...and another one bites the dust...

Disagreeing with people is fine. I Disagree with JimServo on this issue but that does
not mean I do not respect his position and his right to speak.

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15 Apr 2007, 5:51 pm

Breast feeding is taboo because it involves a woman exposing her sexual organs....

Oh...that's right BREASTS are for FEEDING BABIES????

Who'd have thought...

It has been proven that people who breast feed on average have a higher intelligence anyway....

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15 Apr 2007, 8:55 pm

I support breastfeeding babies. There should be more of it.

But one of the women taking up the cause is breast feeding a 3 y.o.

The Law In Question
§ 165.002. RIGHT TO BREAST-FEED. A mother is entitled to
breast-feed her baby in any location in which the mother is
authorized to be.

Added by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 600, § 1, eff. Aug. 28, 1995.

added bold for emphasis. Is a 3 y.o. a baby? That seems a bit gross to me.

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16 Apr 2007, 2:25 pm

This is really ridiculous. To argue that the woman had to travel 3 flights of stairs with twins (one being recovering from brain surgery to breastfeed because Ronald McDonald House wants it is just stupid. And I don't see anywhere in the story that the woman was uncovered. I think it would hard to cover up a toddler (17month old) in the first place. My son could grab and throw stuff off at birth, of course I wouldn't be able to keep him covered at 17 months!

The only people that this would make uncomfortable are those that are staring right at her. what's up with that?! They're the ones that need to go away, not a nursing baby.

Jimservo, you claim to not suggest woman going to a restroom to nurse, but that's just where a lot of women have had to go, filth and all. When there are no nursing rooms or privacy areas and you're leaking while holding a crying baby, what is a woman supposed to do?! You don't know the mechanics of all this, yet you think it's okay to ask a woman to "go elsewhere"?!
Give me a break.
BTW, I tried for weeks to use a pump and couldn't.

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16 Apr 2007, 2:52 pm

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Jimservo, you claim to not suggest woman going to a restroom to nurse, but that's just where a lot of women have had to go, filth and all. When there are no nursing rooms or privacy areas and you're leaking while holding a crying baby, what is a woman supposed to do?! You don't know the mechanics of all this, yet you think it's okay to ask a woman to "go elsewhere"?!
Give me a break.

Perhaps I was somewhat optimistic to assume there are "places" to go. I personally have never asked a breast-feeding women to go anywhere because to be honest, I have no interest in doing so. I do think that private institutions should have the right to control their own affairs, however.

I have acknowledged deficiencies of knowledge in this area, which I probably should have come to realize earlier and have since pulled back from my original position. I am reluctant to state of definitive position because I clearly remember hearing the positions argued from both sides but that is awhile ago and the those (including women) who argued that public breast feeding should be done in a restrained manner and they seemed to base their positions on reasonable propositions and not just some intent to be categorically mean to women or mothers.

Google seems to be skewed against me, but I did find this article on National Review by Betsy Hart:

Quote:

But breastfeeding in public does not have to mean publicly exposing one's breast. I've breastfed my four children, and on occasion when they were newborns and eating every hour or two I've even done so in certain public places where I knew I could be so discreet that no one would/could know. Very soon, of course, babies are — or should be — going hours between feedings. So, why can't a mother either arrange her outings around the feeding schedule of her little one, or at least take the simplest measures to be discreet when she doesn't?

But I've found that to even suggest that breastfeeding moms practice such thoughtfulness or self-restraint is considered scandalous in activist circles. (Never mind that I schedule around my four children all the time. For instance I might avoid adult-oriented restaurants or too many errands because it wouldn't be fair to the either kids or the other folks around them.)

Common courtesy, R.I.P.

I know this because having written a lengthier syndicated column on this very subject recently, I was bombarded by "hate mail" in response. But the biggest complaint by far was that I seemed to be a representative of some ancient civilization that viewed breasts as — gasp — sexual.

Well yeah, duh.

In some cultures, it may be that an enormous brass plate placed in a woman's stretched out lower lip is considered sexual, but in the West, it's breasts. (Whew.)

I asked several readers who wrote foaming, gasping e-mails to me, if they really don't view breasts as sexual then would they mind if I paraded half-naked in front of their husbands and sons? Okay, maybe the better idea would be somebody slightly better endowed parading in front of their husbands and sons, though I'm not sure that in the end it makes much difference and that just sort of reinforces the point.

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To be honest, I don't know what my position is now. As before, If The Ronald McDonald House broke the law, then they should be held accountable.

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16 Apr 2007, 3:52 pm

I heard that babies who get fed formula instead of breastfeeding turn out less intelligent once they grow up. This was based on some sort of scientific study.

by the way, McDonald's won't serve guys without a shirt. The doors all say "no shirts, no shoes, no service"

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