30 Killed In Virgina Tech Shooting

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I'm against gun control but doubt if students were armed would make much difference.
Like a sniper with a rifle and the element of surprise could have been equally deadly and a student armed with a handgun may never even seen the attacker. The reality is nothing can prevent this. No chance any law strong enough could be pasted much less enforce that will change the supply of weapons. These type of random mass killings will be a part of America for a very long time in the future.

nytimes is now reporting 33 dead

The shootings around 7:15 could not have been prevented. Action by the university and the local law enforcement could have prevented further death. The 911 call is being reported as occurring at 7:15. The first e-mail I received from the university was around 9:30. There is no excuse for that. Campus was not shut down until 9:30, more than two hours after the first shooting occurred.

edit: correction, classes were canceled around 10:00. The first e-mail merely mentioned the attack in West A.J.

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this is beyond words!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !
I-I- I- I-I-, HOLY CRUD!

Of course you realize that now the only "logical" answer is to make sure every child goes to school with a gun...to protect themself in the case of another shooting

This s**t happens CONSTANTLY and people will still insist that we have the ability to protect ourselves if we carry a weapon. If ANYONE looked at statistics they'd see that we are more likely to be killed with our own weapon than stop an attacker...I mean, realistically...look at the percentage of crimes/assaults prevented because a private citizen had a gun.

You're never going to be able to completely stop some insane as*hole who has no regard for others' right to live, but you can sure as hell make it a LOT less easier for him to take those lives, especially in such numbers. THIRTY TWO PEOPLE. Can you IMAGINE killing THIRTY TWO people??????????

He was an escaped convict, his gun was obtained illegally, making guns illegal would make no difference what so ever.

They haven't even ID'ED him yet, past he was a male...how could you possibly know he was an escaped convict with an illegally obtained gun??

I think you're thinking of the scare a while back where they shut down campus BECAUSE there was an escaped convict.

I was recalling a previous reading, it seems to have been updated.

Am I the only one hoping he wasn't an aspie or someone who was obviously aspie-ish?

No, Apatura, you're not the only one. The way these incidents produce a media feeding frenzy, I hope the shooter was only the "quiet type" and not DX'd.

I hope he was an outgoing obnoxious jackass. I'm so sick of people who don't choose to be working their mouths in utter futility 24/7 be stereotyped as the ones who go apeshit and commit mass murder.

I think we're missing the point here...this goes a bit beyond hoping he doesn't ill represent us or our culture (or anyone and their culture)

The escaped con was William Morva, that happened last semester.

Nothing has been released thus far (as far as I know) about the identity of the shooter. I've only heard one victim's name released, and I can't even recall it now because I heard it a few hours ago.

Shooters in cases like this aren't representative of any group. They represent the individual, at most the individual's upbringing and background.

Seems I heard it was the engineering building that was attacked. Not sure if he was an aspie but some of his victims likely were

That's right, it was an engineering building. I've never been in the building, maybe been in it once or twice over five years. This is from an e-mail sent out by a friend that actually knew of classes held there:


It is possible he was at the least in one of those majors. If not, he must have known someone in one of the classes and had it out for them. He went roughly half a mile between the two shootings. As for his psychological / mental profile, no clue.

Guns are inanimate objects. I own a gun and I don't kill people, and neither does my gun.

There are no guns allowed on campus. This didn't stop the killer. Why do you think banning guns at large would be any more of a deterrent? I don't think a law against guns would be obeyed by someone like this.

"Oh darn, guns are illegal. Guess I'll go turn in my gun to the cops and cancel my plans for the weekend."