Trump claims the delegate system is "rigged"

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12 Apr 2016, 9:24 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
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Bernie believes it's rigged too - and so do I.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/bernie-san ... n-wyoming/

Bernie believes a lot of non sense, including that Hillary Clinton deported children.


Perhaps not Hillary, but Bill certainly did-- Elian Gonzalez.


That was due to the U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ruling that only his father could file for Asylum on his behalf, since he was the surviving parent.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ordered the U.S. Government to return Elian back to Cuba immediately to be reunited with his father without delay.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals claimed the mother's relatives had no legal standing.
U.S Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal, so the 11th Court ruling stood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1 ... ody_battle

Bill Clinton was doing what he was ordered to do by the Federal Courts and had no say in the matter.

So no Bill did not deport him.

Did they also order him to deport the kid at gunpoint too? Or was there someone else responsible for that as well? That's the thing about the Clintons there's always a list of other people to blame-- they'd actually do really well on the love and dating forum here.

The mother's family was refusing to hand him over and cooperate with the authorities. They intercepted intel that the relatives planned to put him in hiding to prevent the deportation.
They were also promising to fight the Feds with force if they tried to take him from their custody despite a federal court ruling.

The Department of Justice was ordered by 11th Court of Appeals by set date and time or the administration would be in violation of the order and face whatever punishments the courts could muster.


Then Attorney General Reno acted on the intel she was given.

Bill and Hillary purposely stated out of it, fearing a nasty congressional response.

Since it was spring 2000 and primary season was well underway, the GOP was blasting the Clintons for not taking charge and forcing a resolution of returning Gonzales to Cuba.
The GOP was threatening a congressional response to punish the Clintons, since they held the majority.

The GOP and a large part of the media was running with the narrative that President Clinton was refusing to comply with a Federal Court order and depriving a young boy of his father.

Public Opinion was against the Administration, and asking for Congress to force the administration's hand.
The majority of the public believed President Clinton was purposely refusing to comply with the court order, thus being a criminal.

This public sided with the GOP on the issue and was cited as one of the key issues leading to Bush and GOP election victory in 2000.


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13 Apr 2016, 11:10 am

xenocity wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
xenocity wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Bernie believes it's rigged too - and so do I.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/bernie-san ... n-wyoming/

Bernie believes a lot of non sense, including that Hillary Clinton deported children.


Perhaps not Hillary, but Bill certainly did-- Elian Gonzalez.


That was due to the U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ruling that only his father could file for Asylum on his behalf, since he was the surviving parent.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ordered the U.S. Government to return Elian back to Cuba immediately to be reunited with his father without delay.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals claimed the mother's relatives had no legal standing.
U.S Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal, so the 11th Court ruling stood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1 ... ody_battle

Bill Clinton was doing what he was ordered to do by the Federal Courts and had no say in the matter.

So no Bill did not deport him.

Did they also order him to deport the kid at gunpoint too? Or was there someone else responsible for that as well? That's the thing about the Clintons there's always a list of other people to blame-- they'd actually do really well on the love and dating forum here.

The mother's family was refusing to hand him over and cooperate with the authorities. They intercepted intel that the relatives planned to put him in hiding to prevent the deportation.
They were also promising to fight the Feds with force if they tried to take him from their custody despite a federal court ruling.

The Department of Justice was ordered by 11th Court of Appeals by set date and time or the administration would be in violation of the order and face whatever punishments the courts could muster.


Then Attorney General Reno acted on the intel she was given.

Bill and Hillary purposely stated out of it, fearing a nasty congressional response.

Since it was spring 2000 and primary season was well underway, the GOP was blasting the Clintons for not taking charge and forcing a resolution of returning Gonzales to Cuba.
The GOP was threatening a congressional response to punish the Clintons, since they held the majority.

The GOP and a large part of the media was running with the narrative that President Clinton was refusing to comply with a Federal Court order and depriving a young boy of his father.

Public Opinion was against the Administration, and asking for Congress to force the administration's hand.
The majority of the public believed President Clinton was purposely refusing to comply with the court order, thus being a criminal.

This public sided with the GOP on the issue and was cited as one of the key issues leading to Bush and GOP election victory in 2000.

...so they DO have an excuse...not surprising.



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13 Apr 2016, 11:23 am

umm pretty sure Colorado does have a primary, as according to the voting info card I got from the state election department has a date for the primary on it, it is a mail in ballet so maybe that has thrown people off?

Colorado does have a caucaus as well, and I will say that was a mess, seemed really unorganized for the democrats which me and my sister went for since we want to vote for Bernie. A bunch of people including me and my sister endud up unable to vote in the caucaus due to mix ups of people running the thing telling people to go to the wrong room and disorganization.

The republicans also met but didn't have an actual Caucaus via the colorado republican parties decision, I know not a lot showed up to the psuedo-caucaus meeting they had. So you could say we really only had a caucaus for the Democratic Party, and you had to be a registered democrat to go to it...whilst to go to the republican pseudo caucaus you'd have to be a registered republican.


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13 Apr 2016, 11:33 am

The U.S. Supreme Court resolved (or created) the problem of the First Amendment choices of political nominees and their campaigns in the matter of Eu v. S.F. Cty. Democratic Cent. Comm., 489 U.S. 214 (1989), which stated that "[t]he challenged California election laws are invalid, since they burden the First Amendment rights of political parties and their members without serving a compelling state interest." In other words, political parties may do as they please unless and until they act in ways that violate enumerated rights. Don't like the bully tactics of a party rigging its nomination process? Then, don't vote for its candidates; but, don't be surprised when your own favored party engages in the same tactics.


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13 Apr 2016, 12:45 pm

Trump should grow a pair and run as an independent. The party rigs the system because they can do whatever the hell they want.



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13 Apr 2016, 12:46 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
xenocity wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Bernie believes it's rigged too - and so do I.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/bernie-san ... n-wyoming/

Bernie believes a lot of non sense, including that Hillary Clinton deported children.


Perhaps not Hillary, but Bill certainly did-- Elian Gonzalez.


That was due to the U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ruling that only his father could file for Asylum on his behalf, since he was the surviving parent.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ordered the U.S. Government to return Elian back to Cuba immediately to be reunited with his father without delay.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals claimed the mother's relatives had no legal standing.
U.S Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal, so the 11th Court ruling stood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1 ... ody_battle

Bill Clinton was doing what he was ordered to do by the Federal Courts and had no say in the matter.

So no Bill did not deport him.

Did they also order him to deport the kid at gunpoint too? Or was there someone else responsible for that as well? That's the thing about the Clintons there's always a list of other people to blame-- they'd actually do really well on the love and dating forum here.

The mother's family was refusing to hand him over and cooperate with the authorities. They intercepted intel that the relatives planned to put him in hiding to prevent the deportation.
They were also promising to fight the Feds with force if they tried to take him from their custody despite a federal court ruling.

The Department of Justice was ordered by 11th Court of Appeals by set date and time or the administration would be in violation of the order and face whatever punishments the courts could muster.


Then Attorney General Reno acted on the intel she was given.

Bill and Hillary purposely stated out of it, fearing a nasty congressional response.

Since it was spring 2000 and primary season was well underway, the GOP was blasting the Clintons for not taking charge and forcing a resolution of returning Gonzales to Cuba.
The GOP was threatening a congressional response to punish the Clintons, since they held the majority.

The GOP and a large part of the media was running with the narrative that President Clinton was refusing to comply with a Federal Court order and depriving a young boy of his father.

Public Opinion was against the Administration, and asking for Congress to force the administration's hand.
The majority of the public believed President Clinton was purposely refusing to comply with the court order, thus being a criminal.

This public sided with the GOP on the issue and was cited as one of the key issues leading to Bush and GOP election victory in 2000.

...so they DO have an excuse...not surprising.

It's not an excuse if the GOP Majority had a bill in committee threatening to introduce it, which would have lead to impeachment charges for key administration figures.
GOP was ready and willing to use this event to dismantle the administration, which in turn would have turned the public against the Democrats in November.

It's not an excuse if the opposition has a 2/3rds majority in both houses of Congress, with the power to bring criminal charges and impeachment against administration officials and is willing to use it to win the upcoming election.

In the end the Administration had to do what the court ordered because the mother's relatives couldn't reach an agreement with the father.

This case has nothing to do with Bill Clinton, but the Department of Justice following the orders of the U.S. Federal Courts, which it is legally forced to do.

You may not like the decision, but AG Reno was doing as ordered by the U.S. 11th Court of Appeals.

It's obviously you are looking to hate the Clintons even when they follow the law.

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The head of the RNC claims there is no plot against Trump, stating the rules were set last year before Trump filed to run.
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13 Apr 2016, 12:47 pm

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Trump should grow a pair and run as an independent. The party rigs the system because they can do whatever the hell they want.

He probably will after the convention, though it is harder to run as an independent.


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13 Apr 2016, 12:57 pm

xenocity wrote:
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Trump should grow a pair and run as an independent. The party rigs the system because they can do whatever the hell they want.

He probably will after the convention, though it is harder to run as an independent.

Exactly. He wants the benefits of the party system without the drawbacks.



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13 Apr 2016, 4:27 pm

AspE wrote:
xenocity wrote:
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Trump should grow a pair and run as an independent. The party rigs the system because they can do whatever the hell they want.

He probably will after the convention, though it is harder to run as an independent.

Exactly. He wants the benefits of the party system without the drawbacks.


To be fair- (correct me if I'm wrong here) Bernie Sanders was independent then became democrat. Easier to get the attention if you run as one of the two parties. A two party system is stupid IMO. Thats how politics in USA have been forever basically, and I think if they had their way.. thats how it would remain forever. Perhaps after this year, it will clearly show that independents need attention and it shouldn't be two parties controlling such a corrupt system.

"For the people" is a bunch of crap really, when nearly everyone in national office is helping out their buddies and not much else.



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13 Apr 2016, 5:49 pm

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umm pretty sure Colorado does have a primary, as according to the voting info card I got from the state election department has a date for the primary on it, it is a mail in ballet so maybe that has thrown people off?

Colorado does have a caucaus as well, and I will say that was a mess, seemed really unorganized for the democrats which me and my sister went for since we want to vote for Bernie. A bunch of people including me and my sister endud up unable to vote in the caucaus due to mix ups of people running the thing telling people to go to the wrong room and disorganization.

The republicans also met but didn't have an actual Caucaus via the colorado republican parties decision, I know not a lot showed up to the psuedo-caucaus meeting they had. So you could say we really only had a caucaus for the Democratic Party, and you had to be a registered democrat to go to it...whilst to go to the republican pseudo caucaus you'd have to be a registered republican.


Sounds like the Democratic caucus here in Washington state. Still, Bernie carried the day!


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13 Apr 2016, 7:23 pm

xenocity wrote:
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Trump should grow a pair and run as an independent. The party rigs the system because they can do whatever the hell they want.

He probably will after the convention, though it is harder to run as an independent.


If The Donald runs as an Independent he will wreck what little chance the Republicans have. The Republican-right want vote will be split and the Democrats will romp to victory.


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xenocity wrote:
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Trump should grow a pair and run as an independent. The party rigs the system because they can do whatever the hell they want.

He probably will after the convention, though it is harder to run as an independent.


If The Donald runs as an Independent he will wreck what little chance the Republicans have. The Republican-right want vote will be split and the Democrats will romp to victory.


I'll say my prayers and keep my fingers crossed for it!


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Donald Trump is a childish, racist, misogynistic, double-talking, loud-mouthed, arrogant bully.

He's also a sore loser.


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Donald Trump is a childish, racist, misogynistic, double-talking, loud-mouthed, arrogant bully.

He's also a sore loser.



And as if these above problems are not enough, he is also neurotypical ! ! :lol: :lol:



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14 Apr 2016, 1:15 am

AspE wrote:
Trump should grow a pair and run as an independent. The party rigs the system because they can do whatever the hell they want.


You know that won't happen, as he is a coward. He says insane crap and has no idea how to implement anything in society. All he does is rile up the racist, sexist and homophobic crowds from what I've seen.



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andrethemoogle wrote:
AspE wrote:
Trump should grow a pair and run as an independent. The party rigs the system because they can do whatever the hell they want.


You know that won't happen, as he is a coward. He says insane crap and has no idea how to implement anything in society. All he does is rile up the racist, sexist and homophobic crowds from what I've seen.


Careful, or the Trump crowd here on WP are going to jump all over you for criticizing their fellow Trumpeters, not to mention their big man himself, the American Il Deuce.


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