Abortion Now Illegal In Oklahoma
Great, now here comes the unsafe abortions women will be practicing and also more upcoming abused children because they were never wanted by their mother so they resent them so much they must make them suffer now, and more abandoned babies in foster care and that means more f****d up kids.
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The right to abortion in Roe V. Wade was totally made up and is a perfect textbook example of legislating from the bench. It violates the 'right to privacy' but doesn't extend to NSA mass surveillance, the 30 million Americans they keep files on, or something as basic as a plant that combusts. The 'right to privacy' as our government defines it only applies to killing babies and government secrets. Makes a lot of sense right? Abortion on demand should be illegal and I believe that the vast majority of American agree that there needs to be many more restrictions.
What is abortion 'on demand' I don't think that is even a thing but rather stigma filled wording to imply women are just refusing to use birth control because they can just go get an abortion as easy as snapping their fingers which does not reflect the realty whatsoever. Also, I don't get the impression the vast majority of Americans have an issue with abortion, perhaps late term abortion but that is already only allowed in medical emergencies if there are places its not only allowed in a medical emergency than I'd say that needs to change.
Abortions are meant to occur before there is a 'baby'....you do realize first there is sperm and an egg, that merges to create a clump of cells, and then it becomes an embryo which than becomes a fetus, all this occurs before it turns into a baby. Technically even the morning after pill is a type of 'abortion' and that I believe is taken before the sperm and egg turns into the clump of cells even, but via this law they could even ban that.
Late term abortions are still legal and preformed in certain parts of the country, they still do partial-birth abortions even tho it is illegal as we can see in those Planned Parenthood videos. There is essentially no regulation of the abortion industry in this country, anybody that even tries to get these so called 'clinics' to raise their standards is accused of being 'anti-choice women haters'. Monsters like Kermit Gosnell are allowed to exist because of the blood lust these pro-abortion activists have, this is modern day eugenics absolutely and that's why Margret Sanger supported eugenics because it is consistent with the worldview that tolerates abortion. It's sickening. What I mean by 'abortion on demand' is abortion for reasons other than health or rape. The vast majority of Americans do want more restrictions on abortion and I support any 'pragmatic' or incremental approach to doing this. A lot of people straight up want the government to pay for all abortions, pay for all birth control, everything so it goes far beyond 'choice'.
Your second paragraph there is being kind of silly, it's not going to ban to 'morning after pill' or whatever emergency contraceptives. I understand fetal development.
the planned parenthood videos have been completely debunked. i don't think they EVER porported to have evidence of partial birth abortions. you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
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I have not heard many people claim the government should pay for all birth control and abortions...if people do think that I can't say I entirely agree.
So basically you think if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a kid they can't take care of....it's wrong of her to get an abortion regardless of how early she gets it? You do realize the alternative is forcing one to undergo pregnancy and childbirth against their will.....what are they going to do put pregnant woman who want an abortion in holding cells to make sure they don't try and seek out an improper/illegal abortion or do unhealthy practices in an attempt to cause them-self to miscarriage? I can see having a problem with late term abortions outside medical emergency ...but making abortion in general illegal across the board I think will cause many more problems than it would solve.
Also my second paragraph is not being silly...there are groups who want to go as far as banning things like the morning after pill due to it being a type of abortion.
What I believe is that it is pretty easy to not get pregnant when the proper precautions are taken and that ending a human life is wrong, I believe in personal responsibility for one's own actions and like how a man is held legally responsible for the welfare his children so should a mother with her unborn child. I do not believe we have to punish the mothers so much but rather the doctors who do the actual killing. I believe the vast majority of women who have gotten abortions would not of gotten them had it not been legal to do so, I do not believe the vast majority of doctors would of preform abortions if the medical licenses were put at stake and maybe even liability so we're really only worried about a very small amount of people that want to kill their child above all else. The tales of women that died from 'back-alley' abortions was wildly overstated and fell like a rock once things like antibiotics and birth control were invented, it's minuscule when compared to the number of babies murdered every year because of Roe V. Wade which is over 50 million since 1972.
Something else I really am uncomfortable is the prenatal screening of certain defects because I don't think it is right to make a quality of life assessment for someone especially someone that is even born and we should all know the second they can screen for autism that it will begin a mass-genocide of abortion for those on spectrum. Euthanasia is eugenics, look at what they are doing in Belgium where they are no killing the mentally ill. This should not be given any medical legitimacy, it violate the oath I believe that they all swear upon.
Provided birth control methods work, it is easy not to get pregnant...however the pill(birth control and the morning after pill) can fail, condoms can break, and If that happens to someone who has no means to care for a child and cannot afford a pregnancy shouldn't they have the option to terminate cells or an embryo that may or may not even develop into a baby. I can agree with a limit on how long one can wait to get an abortion but I cannot agree with making it illegal.
Not to mention if it's illegal for doctors to preform abortions what happens if a woman is raped, or its a medical emergency where the pregnancy may kill the mother? A doctor would have to risk their entire career to help a woman in that situation.
Also of course if abortion is legal less women will get them, some probably rationalize having a baby is better than prison,less people in colorado smoked pot when it was illegal.
I think getting an abortion as soon as possible if you know you don't have the means to care for a child, and no way to even afford the medical care pregnant women undergo is a reflection of personal responsibility, especially considering I smoke cigarettes. It would be very irresponsible of me not to get an abortion if contraception or the morning after pill didn't work. Is the government going to pay my medical bills and find a caring home for my hypothetical baby?
One could say 'oh just quit smoking' well its a nasty addiction, I'd probably need some form of nicotine to reduce cravings for cigarettes...any nicotine can cause birth defects not just if you smoke it. Not to mention I am sure my mental health team would advise me against childbirth, I've gotten more stable mentally but I am advised to be careful of too much stress to avoid more episodes of 'I want to kill myself' depression I am sure pregnancy fits that category of stress.
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And what makes you think that? Its not a fun procedure at all, it's painful and you have to take a bunch of medication afterwards because its pretty hard on the body, not to mention I am pretty sure they cost money. Why would a woman get pregnant just so she can undergo an abortion?
Perhaps there are one or two women that stupid in the world who have been misinformed about abortion and think it's like a vacation with added pampering, but certainly not enough to be statistically relevant.
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I have not heard many people claim the government should pay for all birth control and abortions...if people do think that I can't say I entirely agree.
So basically you think if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a kid they can't take care of....it's wrong of her to get an abortion regardless of how early she gets it? You do realize the alternative is forcing one to undergo pregnancy and childbirth against their will.....what are they going to do put pregnant woman who want an abortion in holding cells to make sure they don't try and seek out an improper/illegal abortion or do unhealthy practices in an attempt to cause them-self to miscarriage? I can see having a problem with late term abortions outside medical emergency ...but making abortion in general illegal across the board I think will cause many more problems than it would solve.
Also my second paragraph is not being silly...there are groups who want to go as far as banning things like the morning after pill due to it being a type of abortion.
What I believe is that it is pretty easy to not get pregnant when the proper precautions are taken and that ending a human life is wrong, I believe in personal responsibility for one's own actions and like how a man is held legally responsible for the welfare his children so should a mother with her unborn child. I do not believe we have to punish the mothers so much but rather the doctors who do the actual killing. I believe the vast majority of women who have gotten abortions would not of gotten them had it not been legal to do so, I do not believe the vast majority of doctors would of preform abortions if the medical licenses were put at stake and maybe even liability so we're really only worried about a very small amount of people that want to kill their child above all else. The tales of women that died from 'back-alley' abortions was wildly overstated and fell like a rock once things like antibiotics and birth control were invented, it's minuscule when compared to the number of babies murdered every year because of Roe V. Wade which is over 50 million since 1972.
Something else I really am uncomfortable is the prenatal screening of certain defects because I don't think it is right to make a quality of life assessment for someone especially someone that is even born and we should all know the second they can screen for autism that it will begin a mass-genocide of abortion for those on spectrum. Euthanasia is eugenics, look at what they are doing in Belgium where they are no killing the mentally ill. This should not be given any medical legitimacy, it violate the oath I believe that they all swear upon.
Provided birth control methods work, it is easy not to get pregnant...however the pill(birth control and the morning after pill) can fail, condoms can break, and If that happens to someone who has no means to care for a child and cannot afford a pregnancy shouldn't they have the option to terminate cells or an embryo that may or may not even develop into a baby. I can agree with a limit on how long one can wait to get an abortion but I cannot agree with making it illegal.
Not to mention if it's illegal for doctors to preform abortions what happens if a woman is raped, or its a medical emergency where the pregnancy may kill the mother? A doctor would have to risk their entire career to help a woman in that situation.
Also of course if abortion is legal less women will get them, some probably rationalize having a baby is better than prison,less people in colorado smoked pot when it was illegal.
I think getting an abortion as soon as possible if you know you don't have the means to care for a child, and no way to even afford the medical care pregnant women undergo is a reflection of personal responsibility, especially considering I smoke cigarettes. It would be very irresponsible of me not to get an abortion if contraception or the morning after pill didn't work. Is the government going to pay my medical bills and find a caring home for my hypothetical baby?
One could say 'oh just quit smoking' well its a nasty addiction, I'd probably need some form of nicotine to reduce cravings for cigarettes...any nicotine can cause birth defects not just if you smoke it. Not to mention I am sure my mental health team would advise me against childbirth, I've gotten more stable mentally but I am advised to be careful of too much stress to avoid more episodes of 'I want to kill myself' depression I am sure pregnancy fits that category of stress.
There's adoption.
Have people forgotten? Abortion was not always legal and the world still turned. It would go back to the way it was. And I'm tired of people demeaning a baby by calling it cells, but say whatever you have to just so that you can get sleep at night.

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If Roe V Wade were overturned it would not likely go back to the way it was. What would happen abortion would not be a constitutional right. Localities, states and even the Congress could pass a law making it legal. Prior to Roe V Wade Abortion was made legal in several states.
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If that actually was the way it used to be, then pro-abortion people have nothing to worry about.
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Better to wait until a non-election year, Mary Fallin was on Trump's shortlist for VP. No reason to mess with abortion laws until something can actually be done with with it because this law would of been almost surely found unconstitutional with the current court. No need to make abortion a focus of the election, that is what Hillary wants.
And what makes you think that? Its not a fun procedure at all, it's painful and you have to take a bunch of medication afterwards because its pretty hard on the body, not to mention I am pretty sure they cost money. Why would a woman get pregnant just so she can undergo an abortion?
Perhaps there are one or two women that stupid in the world who have been misinformed about abortion and think it's like a vacation with added pampering, but certainly not enough to be statistically relevant.
abortion at 6 - 8 weeks isn't hard on the body and there are no meds to take. it doesn't hurt during the procedure and only has cramping after if you've been pregnant before.
many women don't "choose" to become pregnant. perfectly used birth control fails. some folks don't understand birth control well enough to use it properly. many young people believe "it couldn't happen to me." rape happens. these are just a few of the reasons women need abortions.
later term abortions only happen when the fetus is not likely to be viable outside the wound. later term abortions are less safe.
a good novel that covers all sides of the abortion issue is pattersosn's "protect and defend."
Well then pro-abortion people can breathe easy.... for now.
This is why it would be a good idea for each state to make their own laws that way people can go live where they can have it their way.

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There's adoption.
Have people forgotten? Abortion was not always legal and the world still turned. It would go back to the way it was. And I'm tired of people demeaning a baby by calling it cells, but say whatever you have to just so that you can get sleep at night.

And what about medical/hospital bills from treatment during pregnancy and giving birth? Also I understand a lot of hormonal changes and stress happen during pregnancy, some people have mental disorders that make that rather dangerous. Also what about people who use nicotine and can't immediately quit? Adoption does not address any of those things. The morning after pill is a good option, but they haven't come up with anything that prevents pregnancy in 100% of cases...the best option seems to be limit how late you can have an abortion.
It's not what helps me sleep at night it's science:
At fertilization, the sex of the fetus is already determined, depending on whether the egg receives an X or Y chromosome from a sperm cell. If the egg receives an X chromosome, the baby will be a girl; a Y chromosome means the baby will be a boy.
According to the Cleveland Clinic, it takes about three to four days for the fertilized egg (or embryo) to move to the lining of the uterus, where it attaches or implants to the uterine wall. Once the embryo is implanted, the cells start to grow eventually becoming the fetus and the placenta, which is tissue that can transport oxygen, nutrients and hormones from the mother's blood to the developing fetus throughout pregnancy.
- See more at: http://www.livescience.com/44899-stages ... yxVZq.dpuf
Though I will agree if states all just made their own laws maybe it would be better...sometimes that is the solution to so much disagreement. It would be nice if everything I agree with was on the same page as the Federal Government, but that's not going to happen for any of us.
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Have people forgotten? Abortion was not always legal and the world still turned. It would go back to the way it was. And I'm tired of people demeaning a baby by calling it cells, but say whatever you have to just so that you can get sleep at night.

And what about medical/hospital bills from treatment during pregnancy and giving birth? Also I understand a lot of hormonal changes and stress happen during pregnancy, some people have mental disorders that make that rather dangerous. Also what about people who use nicotine and can't immediately quit? Adoption does not address any of those things. The morning after pill is a good option, but they haven't come up with anything that prevents pregnancy in 100% of cases...the best option seems to be limit how late you can have an abortion.
It's not what helps me sleep at night it's science:
At fertilization, the sex of the fetus is already determined, depending on whether the egg receives an X or Y chromosome from a sperm cell. If the egg receives an X chromosome, the baby will be a girl; a Y chromosome means the baby will be a boy.
According to the Cleveland Clinic, it takes about three to four days for the fertilized egg (or embryo) to move to the lining of the uterus, where it attaches or implants to the uterine wall. Once the embryo is implanted, the cells start to grow eventually becoming the fetus and the placenta, which is tissue that can transport oxygen, nutrients and hormones from the mother's blood to the developing fetus throughout pregnancy.
- See more at: http://www.livescience.com/44899-stages ... yxVZq.dpuf
Though I will agree if states all just made their own laws maybe it would be better...sometimes that is the solution to so much disagreement. It would be nice if everything I agree with was on the same page as the Federal Government, but that's not going to happen for any of us.
Actually, I was just reading about some prescription drugs that are extremely bad for a fetus and one shouldn't get pregnant if they are on them. If you decide to take these drugs, you must also use 2 forms of birth control.
Also, you are just a bunch of cells that keep regenerating. Does that mean you are nothing too?
http://www.livescience.com/33179-does-h ... years.html
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Not to mention if it's illegal for doctors to preform abortions what happens if a woman is raped, or its a medical emergency where the pregnancy may kill the mother? A doctor would have to risk their entire career to help a woman in that situation.
Also of course if abortion is legal less women will get them, some probably rationalize having a baby is better than prison,less people in colorado smoked pot when it was illegal.
I think getting an abortion as soon as possible if you know you don't have the means to care for a child, and no way to even afford the medical care pregnant women undergo is a reflection of personal responsibility, especially considering I smoke cigarettes. It would be very irresponsible of me not to get an abortion if contraception or the morning after pill didn't work. Is the government going to pay my medical bills and find a caring home for my hypothetical baby?
One could say 'oh just quit smoking' well its a nasty addiction, I'd probably need some form of nicotine to reduce cravings for cigarettes...any nicotine can cause birth defects not just if you smoke it. Not to mention I am sure my mental health team would advise me against childbirth, I've gotten more stable mentally but I am advised to be careful of too much stress to avoid more episodes of 'I want to kill myself' depression I am sure pregnancy fits that category of stress.
I believe in strongly in adoption and just taking care the children by whatever means necessary if no one is there for them, it's is far too hard for adopt children in this country which is why people go to third world countries and essentially buy the kid cash. Foster care has a bad bad reputation and people unfortunately hesitant to adopt children out of that system, I don't think we have settle for this and regardless I do not believe people are a better off dead. Murder is wrong, it shouldn't matter at what age. It's a moral imperative and we can hash out the details later, I think we'll be stronger and better off with these people here. That is what I believe, there are a lot loving people out there that go above and beyond what anybody could expect from a normal person.
Mistakes happen, nothing is absolute but that is inherent in having sexual relations to begin and like I said about men being held accountable for their own actions and I think that should extend to women for the life they both created. Having a child shouldn't be seen as an awfully malady, it is blessing and I do think it enriches people's lives. I think most women that get abortions when they're sitting on death's door probably have a lot of regrets and I've said this before but we whole generation of middle aged people that are just complete lost souls in this country and have nobody I think this country is being punished in a way because of this sickness we have. 50 million people have died because of Roe v Wade, I'd say most weren't murderers or criminals or people that couldn't be loved or give love in return so I find it very offensive the people who bring up crime rates and this idea that we're all better off. We must become a country that values life, we must become a country that supports life, we support the banks and the auto companies and a ton of so called allies overseas but we can't support our own people? Something doesn't seem right to me.
I'd hope you wouldn't get an abortion for something as minor as being a smoker, my mother was a smoker until she got pregnant and they weren't married yet either so I shudder to think what options were given to her and imagine if they could screen for autism. There are a lot of children born of mothers a lot worse off than you and they still may love their children very very much despite their substance abuse problems, you're not on meth or heroin or crack or an alcoholic so cigarettes and pot aren't that big of a deal. We don't need perfect parents, I'd obviously would want these mothers to not do these things and most make an effort and I know this because of family work in CPS. Actually a big problem is that when a child is born they essentially do a type of drug test and CPS a lot of times is mandated to make a report about it when somebody gets flagged and you can get flagged for marijuana. Marijuana is a huge huge strain on CPS, it's totally irrelevant as far parenting goes in my opinion. I can't speak for your mental health and to be honest putting myself in the same shoes, I wouldn't know either because absolutely it would be terrifying and not something a man can really appreciate. I understand this.
I believe health and rape are legitimate exceptions to end pregnancy and the sooner the better, I would limit the time as well. It would be as simple as it being signed off by a doctor or two so there shouldn't be a logistics problem, I believe some states already have some form of this on the books. Financial reasons shouldn't be considered, we have to find a way and I would trade a lot so it wouldn't be an issue. I'd rather help support someone raise child than to drop bombs on children in other countries, we have really screwed up priorities in this country.
I don't believe abortions should take place outside of a hospital, not these unregulated clinics that don't even have admitting privileges at the closest emergency rooms. It should be done by real medical professions in a real medical setting.
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How have they been debunked? Because Planned Parenthood and 'progressives' who support eugenics say they are? The videos speak for themselves. Selling fetal body parts is also illegal and doesn't stop them from doing it, the abortion industry and I mean INDUSTRY has almost zero oversight or regulation.
How have they been debunked? Because Planned Parenthood and 'progressives' who support eugenics say they are? The videos speak for themselves. Selling fetal body parts is also illegal and doesn't stop them from doing it, the abortion industry and I mean INDUSTRY has almost zero oversight or regulation.
they've been debunked by the courts.
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