George W Bush may vote Clinton
naturalplastic wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I think this very well may be the first smart thing Dubya's ever done.
Why?
As the war in Iraq, and allowing his Wall Street friends to nearly destroy the economy, as well as destroy the lives of millions of Americans with their home financing swindles were dumb moves on his part. At least Bush is voting against maybe the only other person in politics, other than the Libertarian Gary Johnson, who is more uninformed than he is.
I'm afraid you are underestimating Trump. If you were in a jury, you would want to hear both sides of the argument. So I advise you to listen to, read and watch pro Trump info for the next few days, or even just listen to people like Chris Hedges and Jill Stein and what they say about Clinton.
Both sides?
All ya need to do is listen to Trump himself.
We have all heard Trump himself gleefully,and enthusiastically disqualify himself over and over again with his own words. What else do you need to hear?
Just to take one example:What will he do about ISIS? The only things he has said are (a) "carpet bomb the whole region" (meaningless juvenile nonsense), or (b) that we should have taken - or that we should take away "all of Iraq's oil" ( we should somehow go into the subterranean geology of the land of Iraq- and then some how spirit away all of the rock strata underneath that country's land that has oil??? And then throw all of those oil rich rocks into a station wagon and take them home to the US? What the heck is he even talking about?
Oh...he also says that he has a "secret plan", and that "he knows more about ISIS than do the generals."
Why would he say either of those two things if he were not either a con artist, or delusional (or both)?
How does a person like that "qualify" to even be allowed to walk freely outside of an institution? Forget about putting the person into elective office.
Yeah, he definitely needs some guidance and education. Hilary will do far worse though, but pretend to be doing good and just blame everything on Russia.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Trump's right though. Just look up Michael T Flynn.
Trump isn't right, though. I don't know this Michael Flynn idiot, but if he supports Trump, then he's wrong, too.
"Michael Flynn idiot". He's the former head of the US Intelligence Agency. He is interviewed and showed the former secret document that shows that the US funded ISIS basically. He acknowledges it. Would you like the video?
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JohnPowell wrote:
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Trump's right though. Just look up Michael T Flynn.
Trump isn't right, though. I don't know this Michael Flynn idiot, but if he supports Trump, then he's wrong, too.
"Michael Flynn idiot". He's the former head of the US Intelligence Agency. He is interviewed and showed the former secret document that shows that the US funded ISIS basically. He acknowledges it. Would you like the video?
He seem rather friendly with Putin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn#Association_with_Russia
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Association with Russia
RT gala dinner in Moscow, General Flynn is seated next to President Putin. Jill Stein seats across.
In retirement, Flynn was described by the Washington Post as "not hostile to Russia,"[21] while Michael Crowley of Vox described Flynn as having "an odd affection for Russia and its authoritarian government."[22]
After retiring from service with the U.S. government, Flynn began appearing semi-regularly as an analyst on RT, a Russian state-owned English-language news outlet.[21][22][23] In 2015, Flynn attended a gala dinner in Moscow in honor of RT, where he was seated next to the Russian president Vladimir Putin.[23] Before attending the event, Flynn gave a paid talk on world affairs to a group; Flynn defended the Russian payment in an interview with Michael Isikoff.[23][24] Journalist Michael Crowley of Politico reported that "At a moment of semi-hostility between the U.S. and Russia, the presence of such an important figure at Putin's table startled" U.S. officials.[23]
RT gala dinner in Moscow, General Flynn is seated next to President Putin. Jill Stein seats across.
In retirement, Flynn was described by the Washington Post as "not hostile to Russia,"[21] while Michael Crowley of Vox described Flynn as having "an odd affection for Russia and its authoritarian government."[22]
After retiring from service with the U.S. government, Flynn began appearing semi-regularly as an analyst on RT, a Russian state-owned English-language news outlet.[21][22][23] In 2015, Flynn attended a gala dinner in Moscow in honor of RT, where he was seated next to the Russian president Vladimir Putin.[23] Before attending the event, Flynn gave a paid talk on world affairs to a group; Flynn defended the Russian payment in an interview with Michael Isikoff.[23][24] Journalist Michael Crowley of Politico reported that "At a moment of semi-hostility between the U.S. and Russia, the presence of such an important figure at Putin's table startled" U.S. officials.[23]
As a fan of authoritarian governments he may well lie "for our own good".
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Tollorin wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Trump's right though. Just look up Michael T Flynn.
Trump isn't right, though. I don't know this Michael Flynn idiot, but if he supports Trump, then he's wrong, too.
"Michael Flynn idiot". He's the former head of the US Intelligence Agency. He is interviewed and showed the former secret document that shows that the US funded ISIS basically. He acknowledges it. Would you like the video?
He seem rather friendly with Putin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn#Association_with_Russia
Wikipedia wrote:
Association with Russia
RT gala dinner in Moscow, General Flynn is seated next to President Putin. Jill Stein seats across.
In retirement, Flynn was described by the Washington Post as "not hostile to Russia,"[21] while Michael Crowley of Vox described Flynn as having "an odd affection for Russia and its authoritarian government."[22]
After retiring from service with the U.S. government, Flynn began appearing semi-regularly as an analyst on RT, a Russian state-owned English-language news outlet.[21][22][23] In 2015, Flynn attended a gala dinner in Moscow in honor of RT, where he was seated next to the Russian president Vladimir Putin.[23] Before attending the event, Flynn gave a paid talk on world affairs to a group; Flynn defended the Russian payment in an interview with Michael Isikoff.[23][24] Journalist Michael Crowley of Politico reported that "At a moment of semi-hostility between the U.S. and Russia, the presence of such an important figure at Putin's table startled" U.S. officials.[23]
RT gala dinner in Moscow, General Flynn is seated next to President Putin. Jill Stein seats across.
In retirement, Flynn was described by the Washington Post as "not hostile to Russia,"[21] while Michael Crowley of Vox described Flynn as having "an odd affection for Russia and its authoritarian government."[22]
After retiring from service with the U.S. government, Flynn began appearing semi-regularly as an analyst on RT, a Russian state-owned English-language news outlet.[21][22][23] In 2015, Flynn attended a gala dinner in Moscow in honor of RT, where he was seated next to the Russian president Vladimir Putin.[23] Before attending the event, Flynn gave a paid talk on world affairs to a group; Flynn defended the Russian payment in an interview with Michael Isikoff.[23][24] Journalist Michael Crowley of Politico reported that "At a moment of semi-hostility between the U.S. and Russia, the presence of such an important figure at Putin's table startled" U.S. officials.[23]
As a fan of authoritarian governments he may well lie "for our own good".
Probably because he knows that RT will show stuff that the corporate media in America will not show. The media in America is controlled by a handful of corporations. The same corporations which control the war machine. The document released under freedom of information is not a secret, maybe the Western media just forgets to mention it

Like the US isn't authoritarian.
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JohnPowell wrote:
Probably because he knows that RT will show stuff that the corporate media in America will not show. The media in America is controlled by a handful of corporations. The same corporations which control the war machine. The document released under freedom of information is not a secret, maybe the Western media just forgets to mention it
Like the US isn't authoritarian.

Like the US isn't authoritarian.
There certainly is a authoritarian culture in the US; after all Trump get a lot of support. As for RT, this is worse that the US media, it's a propaganda channel controlled by Vladimir Putin; all mainstream media in Russia are controlled by him and journalists that dare to criticize him or his governments are in danger to be killed.
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JohnPowell wrote:
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Trump's right though. Just look up Michael T Flynn.
Trump isn't right, though. I don't know this Michael Flynn idiot, but if he supports Trump, then he's wrong, too.
"Michael Flynn idiot". He's the former head of the US Intelligence Agency. He is interviewed and showed the former secret document that shows that the US funded ISIS basically. He acknowledges it. Would you like the video?
A former CIA chief calls Trump a useful idiot of Putin's, and that as Commander-In-Chief, he'd be disastrous for the country against ISIS.
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Tollorin wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Probably because he knows that RT will show stuff that the corporate media in America will not show. The media in America is controlled by a handful of corporations. The same corporations which control the war machine. The document released under freedom of information is not a secret, maybe the Western media just forgets to mention it
Like the US isn't authoritarian.

Like the US isn't authoritarian.
There certainly is a authoritarian culture in the US; after all Trump get a lot of support. As for RT, this is worse that the US media, it's a propaganda channel controlled by Vladimir Putin; all mainstream media in Russia are controlled by him and journalists that dare to criticize him or his governments are in danger to be killed.
Haha. Clinton has supported every war from Kosovo to Yemen. She will carry on with the rampage too, in charge of the US bully machine. People are voting for Clinton based on the lies and propaganda from the corporate owned media, that runs the White House anyway. The big corporations love the Clintons. Any evidence for that? How's Chelsea Manning doing anyway?
The point remains, Obama and Hilary knowingly funded ISIS, and just saying "RussiaRussia" doesn't change that fact.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Trump's right though. Just look up Michael T Flynn.
Trump isn't right, though. I don't know this Michael Flynn idiot, but if he supports Trump, then he's wrong, too.
"Michael Flynn idiot". He's the former head of the US Intelligence Agency. He is interviewed and showed the former secret document that shows that the US funded ISIS basically. He acknowledges it. Would you like the video?
A former CIA chief calls Trump a useful idiot of Putin's, and that as Commander-In-Chief, he'd be disastrous for the country against ISIS.
That's his opinion, not a fact.
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JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Trump's right though. Just look up Michael T Flynn.
Trump isn't right, though. I don't know this Michael Flynn idiot, but if he supports Trump, then he's wrong, too.
"Michael Flynn idiot". He's the former head of the US Intelligence Agency. He is interviewed and showed the former secret document that shows that the US funded ISIS basically. He acknowledges it. Would you like the video?
A former CIA chief calls Trump a useful idiot of Putin's, and that as Commander-In-Chief, he'd be disastrous for the country against ISIS.
That's his opinion, not a fact.
I take the opinion of this spymaster seriously.
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The_Walrus wrote:
There are plenty of news outlets which are neither tied to a handful of corporations nor propaganda networks for authoritarian regimes.
Russia Today is fairly good, although its biases when talking about anything concerning Russia are obvious.
Russia Today is fairly good, although its biases when talking about anything concerning Russia are obvious.
I'm not denying that it's biased, all news is. It is quite comical the way they report about internal stories in the US that makes the US look bad. They do report a lot of stuff that the Western media refuses to though, hence why the UK has tried to stop them by closing their bank account.
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