Good man with a gun
Many liberals live in larger metro areas and the burbs,I think this has an impact on how they veiw guns.All they see are crimes being committed with them or mass shooting.They have never enjoyed shooting at cans or even held a gun.All they have been exposed to was the negative side of firearms.Its understandable that they feel this way,but it's based on emotion.Guns are bad scary things to them that kill people.
I'd wager almost every rural democrat I know has a gun of some sorts and is most likely a hunter.
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Do you even know what a fetish is?
We have one person here whose username I won't mention that has a fetish of watching his wife f**k a pillow, yet has the audacity to accuse gun aficionados of being gun fetishists. Don't be like that person. Just don't...
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
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But it says a lot about someones intellect, or lack of it, when they blame an inanimate object for any act.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson
But it says a lot about someones intellect, or lack of it, when they blame an inanimate object for any act.
Yes,it's not like a knife is going to jump off a table and stab someone.It doesn't seem smart to not have a gun period.Now that's me reacting emotionally right now.
The Valkyrie( daughter) got attacked and beat up this year.Dude held a knife to her throat,took her purse,then pushed her down and stomped her.Messed her up where she needed medical attention and couldn't work for a week.It was all caught on camera,but the cops still haven't found the guy and probably won't.Id like to find him first....
She just called tonight and someone hit her with rock while she was riding her bike home from work.They yelled something then threw it.It hit her pack,luckily not her.People are f*****g nuts.Id never feel safe in a metro area without one,I'd try to get permit to carry.I don't need one here,no one really cares if you have one in your purse or vehicle.
She's moving back here in a year.
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I'm telling you, it's a tribal thing. Look at some of the battles I've had in PPR with liberals who claim not to care about the issue, but insist on making uninformed comments and lobbing insults like "gun fetishist" every time it comes up; if they don't actually care about the guns, the only reason for the behavior seems to be spiting conservatives.
Honestly, this is a big part of the reason I tend to "caucus" with the conservatives here, I've found it easier over the years to teach conservatives to leave social issues up to individuals than to teach liberals to leave the guns alone, though I'm not quite sure why that is. As I've said before, my time in Denver at the gunsmithing school was really informative in that the very conservative crowd there thought that my liberalism was funny, if misguided, something to joke about over beers, while the liberals in my hometown have been far less accepting of my conservative positions. My gut feeling is that liberals have a tendency to feel more sure of their beliefs and so get righteous about them, but I don't really have anything beyond personal experience to back it up.
This is a very interesting observation. In my mind there is a connection with some of the information in the video techstepgener8tion posted here:
viewtopic.php?t=335761
Also discussed here:
http://heterodoxacademy.org/2016/10/21/ ... l-justice/
A key thought that connects with your perception of tribalism at work:
I took a mental note while watching the video that this problem of sacrificing the truth and justice for the sake of social justice is described as a problem of the liberal arts and soft sciences but does not afflict engineering or the hard sciences. I think this suggests that these tribal passions, blasphemy laws, shunning and the rest are expressions of a desperate anxiety born of the vagueness of their disciplines. The things they study are hard to quantify and their contentions and theories are often hard to prove. I think this produces insecurity and that powers the drive to impose conformity, silence dissent, demand unearned respect and deference, demonize the opposition and all the rest of the excesses of the social justice extremists.
That part of the left that is dedicated to truth as well as real justice, like the universities, needs to separate itself from the social justice ideologues and tribalists.
I don't think that's the problem at all. Many young white people are coming into increasing contact with people of color and starting to see their day-to-day struggles, which the system contributes to. We're starting to realize that it isn't just your effort, it isn't just your choices, but also your environment, the people around you, and the system that majorly contribute to your success and livelihood. We're starting to realize that people don't have as much control over their outcomes as many white people have liked to think.
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That part of the left that is dedicated to truth as well as real justice, like the universities, needs to separate itself from the social justice ideologues and tribalists.
I don't think that's the problem at all. Many young white people are coming into increasing contact with people of color and starting to see their day-to-day struggles, which the system contributes to. We're starting to realize that it isn't just your effort, it isn't just your choices, but also your environment, the people around you, and the system that majorly contribute to your success and livelihood. We're starting to realize that people don't have as much control over their outcomes as many white people have liked to think.
First a point of clarification: my comment was not about awareness that there is such a thing as racism and that institutional racism puts those who are discriminated against at a disadvantage. I don't dispute or disagree with those ideas. The focus of my comment was on scholars who identify social justice as a central or the central principle around which they organize their lives and which they use as a standard by which to judge situations, ideas and people.
The problems that you identify -- the reality of racism, essentially -- is a problem of justice. That's fairly uncontroversial. The problem comes when you make the social aspect of that perception of injustice more important than ordinary issues of fairness and justice and (the particular issue that was the focus of the speech Techstep linked to) when you set a social justice agenda against truth. That's a huge problem.
I am against racism and for fairness, but I am also for truth. I will always oppose racism and sexism, but I don't accept limitations on study or research simply because the results might have unsettling implications for racial or gender relations. It's hard for people to study certain branches of genetics, because people are afraid that the research might appear to have eugenicist implications. I don't accept that.
The truth of how our molecular underpinnings work is more important than considerations of how such information may be misused politically by people whose ideas we don't like. Rather than making topics forbidden, a better response is to make a strong case for political ideas that we do like and rely on truth and justice to help us create a better society where individuals are free to live to best of their abilities regardless of the broad categorizations of race, gender, neurology or anything else that may be applied to them by casual observers.
I think it is folly to sacrifice anything in the broader category of justice or anything that is true for the sake of an idea of social justice. The aphorism "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" covers that idea very well.
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But it says a lot about someones intellect, or lack of it, when they blame an inanimate object for any act.
Yes,it's not like a knife is going to jump off a table and stab someone.It doesn't seem smart to not have a gun period.Now that's me reacting emotionally right now.
The Valkyrie( daughter) got attacked and beat up this year.Dude held a knife to her throat,took her purse,then pushed her down and stomped her.Messed her up where she needed medical attention and couldn't work for a week.It was all caught on camera,but the cops still haven't found the guy and probably won't.Id like to find him first....
She just called tonight and someone hit her with rock while she was riding her bike home from work.They yelled something then threw it.It hit her pack,luckily not her.People are f*****g nuts.Id never feel safe in a metro area without one,I'd try to get permit to carry.I don't need one here,no one really cares if you have one in your purse or vehicle.
She's moving back here in a year.
Sorry to hear of your daughter's misfortune. Does she have a carry permit?
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MissLizard, I am also sorry to hear of the violence your daughter has been subjected to.
That reminds me of several cases that illustrate the point that sometimes the "good man with the gun" is a good woman with a gun.
One that illustrates Darmok's aphorism, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away:
http://www.news9.com/story/16427212/bla ... e-invasion
When 24-year old Justin Shane Martin broke through the front door with a hunting knife in his hand, McKinley pulled the trigger, striking him in the upper torso. Martin was pronounced dead at the scene. Authorities found him slumped over a couch McKinley had used to barricade her front door.
"You have a choice, you or him," explained McKinley. "I chose my son over him."
McKinley recalled the 21 minutes, which she said seemed like hours as Martin went around the house trying to find a way in.
The recently widowed 18 year old mother was home alone with her 3 month old baby when two men showed up and began pounding on the doors and windows, trying to force their way in.
One of them had a big knife in his hand, and it didn't get there by itself.
The good woman with a gun doesn't necessarily have to be young, either:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/coop ... -says.html
Now maybe, if the plucky 72 year old woman had not had a .357 magnum S&W revolver, the young man breaking in would have been on his best behavior after gaining access to the house, but if I were ever on the phone, waiting for the police to arrive and knowing the door would give in first, I would not want to trust to that possibility.
Curiously, this incident took place in 2013 in Anaheim and the thug's name was Brandon Alexander Perez. Three years later, another man named Alexander Perez, this time in Tampa, approached an 81 year old man sitting on his porch and punched him repeatedly in the face, then dragged him into the house and robbed him. The man died later that day.
It's up to each person to determine if arming themselves for self defense is a safe or reasonable thing to do given their circumstances, but "it can't happen here" is not a defense.
I wouldn't argue that everyone should get firearm training, but I don't think people should dismiss the concerns of those who do as absurd or ridicule those people as gun nuts.
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Don't believe the gender note under my avatar. A WP bug means I can't fix it.
But it says a lot about someones intellect, or lack of it, when they blame an inanimate object for any act.
Yes,it's not like a knife is going to jump off a table and stab someone.It doesn't seem smart to not have a gun period.Now that's me reacting emotionally right now.
The Valkyrie( daughter) got attacked and beat up this year.Dude held a knife to her throat,took her purse,then pushed her down and stomped her.Messed her up where she needed medical attention and couldn't work for a week.It was all caught on camera,but the cops still haven't found the guy and probably won't.Id like to find him first....
She just called tonight and someone hit her with rock while she was riding her bike home from work.They yelled something then threw it.It hit her pack,luckily not her.People are f*****g nuts.Id never feel safe in a metro area without one,I'd try to get permit to carry.I don't need one here,no one really cares if you have one in your purse or vehicle.
She's moving back here in a year.
Sorry to hear of your daughter's misfortune. Does she have a carry permit?
Thank you.She doesn't,but she should get one.It would be easy enough where she lives now,Texas.I'd feel better about her safety.There was a raper loose in the same area,so she's lucky in a way.It could have been so much worse.
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I am the dust that dances in the light. - Rumi
That reminds me of several cases that illustrate the point that sometimes the "good man with the gun" is a good woman with a gun.
One that illustrates Darmok's aphorism, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away:
http://www.news9.com/story/16427212/bla ... e-invasion
When 24-year old Justin Shane Martin broke through the front door with a hunting knife in his hand, McKinley pulled the trigger, striking him in the upper torso. Martin was pronounced dead at the scene. Authorities found him slumped over a couch McKinley had used to barricade her front door.
"You have a choice, you or him," explained McKinley. "I chose my son over him."
McKinley recalled the 21 minutes, which she said seemed like hours as Martin went around the house trying to find a way in.
The recently widowed 18 year old mother was home alone with her 3 month old baby when two men showed up and began pounding on the doors and windows, trying to force their way in.
One of them had a big knife in his hand, and it didn't get there by itself.
The good woman with a gun doesn't necessarily have to be young, either:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/coop ... -says.html
Now maybe, if the plucky 72 year old woman had not had a .357 magnum S&W revolver, the young man breaking in would have been on his best behavior after gaining access to the house, but if I were ever on the phone, waiting for the police to arrive and knowing the door would give in first, I would not want to trust to that possibility.
Curiously, this incident took place in 2013 in Anaheim and the thug's name was Brandon Alexander Perez. Three years later, another man named Alexander Perez, this time in Tampa, approached an 81 year old man sitting on his porch and punched him repeatedly in the face, then dragged him into the house and robbed him. The man died later that day.
It's up to each person to determine if arming themselves for self defense is a safe or reasonable thing to do given their circumstances, but "it can't happen here" is not a defense.
I wouldn't argue that everyone should get firearm training, but I don't think people should dismiss the concerns of those who do as absurd or ridicule those people as gun nuts.
Thank you also.
The elderly are particularly vulnerable,even if the intruder isn't armed they still outmatch older folks in strength.Sometimes it's pill heads wanting access to the medicine cabinet or just an easy target.My main news comes from Springfield,MO and it seems that home invasions are on the rise.A recent murder where a stranger killed an older lady then stole her truck in broad daylight.The police think he knocked on her door and she trustingly opened it.The sherif mentioned that it was no longer safe to open your door to someone you don't know,that we live in different times.Sad but true.
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I am the dust that dances in the light. - Rumi
Do you even know what a fetish is?
We have one person here whose username I won't mention that has a fetish of watching his wife f**k a pillow, yet has the audacity to accuse gun aficionados of being gun fetishists. Don't be like that person. Just don't...
Oh my.
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I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
That reminds me of several cases that illustrate the point that sometimes the "good man with the gun" is a good woman with a gun.
One that illustrates Darmok's aphorism, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away:
http://www.news9.com/story/16427212/bla ... e-invasion
When 24-year old Justin Shane Martin broke through the front door with a hunting knife in his hand, McKinley pulled the trigger, striking him in the upper torso. Martin was pronounced dead at the scene. Authorities found him slumped over a couch McKinley had used to barricade her front door.
"You have a choice, you or him," explained McKinley. "I chose my son over him."
McKinley recalled the 21 minutes, which she said seemed like hours as Martin went around the house trying to find a way in.
The recently widowed 18 year old mother was home alone with her 3 month old baby when two men showed up and began pounding on the doors and windows, trying to force their way in.
One of them had a big knife in his hand, and it didn't get there by itself.
The good woman with a gun doesn't necessarily have to be young, either:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/coop ... -says.html
Now maybe, if the plucky 72 year old woman had not had a .357 magnum S&W revolver, the young man breaking in would have been on his best behavior after gaining access to the house, but if I were ever on the phone, waiting for the police to arrive and knowing the door would give in first, I would not want to trust to that possibility.
Curiously, this incident took place in 2013 in Anaheim and the thug's name was Brandon Alexander Perez. Three years later, another man named Alexander Perez, this time in Tampa, approached an 81 year old man sitting on his porch and punched him repeatedly in the face, then dragged him into the house and robbed him. The man died later that day.
It's up to each person to determine if arming themselves for self defense is a safe or reasonable thing to do given their circumstances, but "it can't happen here" is not a defense.
I wouldn't argue that everyone should get firearm training, but I don't think people should dismiss the concerns of those who do as absurd or ridicule those people as gun nuts.
Thank you also.
The elderly are particularly vulnerable,even if the intruder isn't armed they still outmatch older folks in strength.Sometimes it's pill heads wanting access to the medicine cabinet or just an easy target.My main news comes from Springfield,MO and it seems that home invasions are on the rise.A recent murder where a stranger killed an older lady then stole her truck in broad daylight.The police think he knocked on her door and she trustingly opened it.The sherif mentioned that it was no longer safe to open your door to someone you don't know,that we live in different times.Sad but true.
I used to leave my front door wide open and be out on the deck and not think a thing about it. The last 5 yrs it seems things have changed and I close all my doors and lock them and even pull down all my blinds. I never answer the doorbell even if I'm at home. I picked the top condo for security, but it seems that those are the ones being broke into. One top condo was for sale and the owner made a mistake of showing a deer head on the real estate web site and they broke in knowing the guy must have guns and been a hunter - they stole all of the guns.
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
Burglars who pick locks or otherwise gain entry through the front door have long favored the top floor of multi-unit buildings because they minimize the chance of being interrupted by other residents while working. Every other resident of the building is going to pass the ground floor apartments, but only residents of the top floor will go there.
There is a market for concealed gun safes to mitigate this risk.
It's a terrible thing to realize how attuned criminals are to signs of things they want, like trophies as indicators of guns. I remember learning years ago that Ham radio enthusiast try to hide or disguise many of their large antennas because criminals see them as a sign that expensive electronics are available at that site.
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I have lived in the same place for close to thirty years and never used to lock up and left car keys in the ignition.I lock up now.there was a home invasion next door(1/2 mile away) several years back.Neighbor had passed away and there was for her.So the thieves thought no one would be home and they would scoop up the deceased pain meds.Her partner and a friend came back early and caught the two thieves in the house.They were rummaging thru the deceased stuff.There was a scuffle,injuries,and thieves escaped.They did get caught later,they didn't have on masks and victims got a good look at them.Low down people will look at the obits and plan robberies knowing the family will be gone.
Still leave my keys in the car,but hidden.Having a couple big dogs also deters intruders.I don't have a yard light either,I know what's in my yard.They don't.There just might be a bucket sitting in the path.
I think those night watcher lights just make it easier for a criminal to see how to break in.It would be different in town.Then it's sensible to be well lit,someone could see the criminal prowling around and call it in.
It's a good idea to plant thorny bushes under the windows,let's just see them climb in quietly.lol
It's the random stuff that's creepy.Stuff like this.
http://www.kspr.com/content/news/Greene ... 06961.html
He didn't even know the woman he murded.
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But it says a lot about someones intellect, or lack of it, when they blame an inanimate object for any act.
Yes,it's not like a knife is going to jump off a table and stab someone.It doesn't seem smart to not have a gun period.Now that's me reacting emotionally right now.
The Valkyrie( daughter) got attacked and beat up this year.Dude held a knife to her throat,took her purse,then pushed her down and stomped her.Messed her up where she needed medical attention and couldn't work for a week.It was all caught on camera,but the cops still haven't found the guy and probably won't.Id like to find him first....
She just called tonight and someone hit her with rock while she was riding her bike home from work.They yelled something then threw it.It hit her pack,luckily not her.People are f*****g nuts.Id never feel safe in a metro area without one,I'd try to get permit to carry.I don't need one here,no one really cares if you have one in your purse or vehicle.
She's moving back here in a year.
Sorry to hear of your daughter's misfortune. Does she have a carry permit?
Thank you.She doesn't,but she should get one.It would be easy enough where she lives now,Texas.I'd feel better about her safety.There was a raper loose in the same area,so she's lucky in a way.It could have been so much worse.
Not just the permit but i'd also recommend a defensive handgun class.Our range has a monthly class tailored just for women taught by a woman. It's not in Texas, though, but the same type of class can be found in just about any state.
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/\I will certainly suggest that to her.She knows basic safety rules.Training would increase her skill and confidence.Its helpful to have someone with experience to point out areas that need improvement.
When she went to vote she got harassed by a perv on the street that seemed to think she was a prostitute.
I've never seen a pro wearing no makeup,a North Face windbreaker,Levi's and sneakers on a bicycle.She recently found out why she gets such a good deal on rent for such a nice place.There is a prison nearby. Bet that perv just got released.Just full of pent up juices and up to no good right out of the gate.
When her lease is up she's getting to hell out of dodge.
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