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15 Aug 2017, 8:45 pm

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Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?


A book doesn't stare at people in public.


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15 Aug 2017, 9:21 pm

10,000 slaves were set free as a result of Sherman's march to the sea, yet paradoxically, he was a rabid white supremacist. It's only a matter of time before his statues are targeted.



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15 Aug 2017, 9:26 pm

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Alright fellow liberals! Repeat after me!

"Challenge accepted! Game on!"

The far-right can stage as many demonstrations as it likes. We will continue to humiliate them and make them crap their pants every time.

They may kill a few people, but then they will get fired from their jobs. Confederate statues will continue coming down.

This game is fun ... but it's a bit too easy. That's the only flaw.


I will!


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15 Aug 2017, 9:30 pm

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10,000 slaves were set free as a result of Sherman's march to the sea, yet paradoxically, he was a rabid white supremacist. It's only a matter of time before his statues are targeted.


Sherman never owned slaves, and his racism had never been put into action. In fact, one could make the argument that his battle against the Confederacy had made him quite a bit more sympathetic to blacks.


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15 Aug 2017, 9:46 pm

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Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?


I don't see it stopping with statues of Confederate Generals.
I do see more violence of greater severity if this trend goes on...
Other than rabble rousing and manufactured offense, not to mention history revisionism, there really is no logical reason to be against mere statues.


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15 Aug 2017, 9:56 pm

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10,000 slaves were set free as a result of Sherman's march to the sea, yet paradoxically, he was a rabid white supremacist. It's only a matter of time before his statues are targeted.


Sherman never owned slaves, and his racism had never been put into action. In fact, one could make the argument that his battle against the Confederacy had made him quite a bit more sympathetic to blacks.


Citations prove your statements incorrect. Sherman was a white supremacist. Conversely, on numerous occasions, General Lee called slavery an evil institution. He could easily have been Commander of the Union Army but he refused Lincoln's request.

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/shermans-southern-sympathies/



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15 Aug 2017, 10:25 pm

Mass protests and riots that get ugly really should be left to the the Left.



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15 Aug 2017, 10:48 pm

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...An article I read in National Review by someone from Charlottsville argues against your " pooorr persecuted martyred alt-righters " (implied) narrative. He feels the Gov and May made the right call

Oh yeah? Check the optics he created and see if it doesn't function as an even more powerful recruitment tool. That's where, aside from putting all kinds of people in danger, he's an utterly impulsive moron who handed them 'Teh white oppression is REAL!' on a silver platter.


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15 Aug 2017, 11:58 pm

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10,000 slaves were set free as a result of Sherman's march to the sea, yet paradoxically, he was a rabid white supremacist. It's only a matter of time before his statues are targeted.


Sherman never owned slaves, and his racism had never been put into action. In fact, one could make the argument that his battle against the Confederacy had made him quite a bit more sympathetic to blacks.


Citations prove your statements incorrect. Sherman was a white supremacist. Conversely, on numerous occasions, General Lee called slavery an evil institution. He could easily have been Commander of the Union Army but he refused Lincoln's request.

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/shermans-southern-sympathies/


Lee's so called rejection of slavery has been greatly exaggerated. Not only was he a slave owner, but his slaves later told how he was a cruel master, severely whipping his runaway slaves, and even having brine afterward rubbed into their wounds. Later, Lee had opposed granting blacks the right to vote, saying that they had lacked the intelligence. During Reconstruction, Lee had made it perfectly clear that while he felt sympathy for blacks, he was squarely on the side of white southerners. Sherman was doubtlessly a racist, but it was Lee who was the genuine white supremacist. And reading that article you cited, I saw how it described how Sherman had wanted to punish the south for "what he saw as southern treason," or words to that effect. As the Confederacy's actions were treasonous without a doubt, and not just in the opinion of Sherman, I have to take the article and it's author with a grain of salt.


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16 Aug 2017, 5:23 am

^^^

I am finding a different portrait of Lee. After the Civil War he called slavery evil and conducted himself like a gentleman, and worked to unite the country. Nothing about that “Unite the Right” march shared Lee’s values.


On numerous occasions, Lee called slavery an evil institution. For example, on December 28, 1856, he told President Franklin Pierce:
“There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former.”


If the left cannot accept Lee’s contrition after the Civil War than how can they forgive Sen. Robert Byrd (D) who was a member of the KKK at one time?

Answer: Because Byrd’s name is followed by an upper case D.



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16 Aug 2017, 7:30 am

Raptor wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:
Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?


I don't see it stopping with statues of Confederate Generals.
I do see more violence of greater severity if this trend goes on...
Other than rabble rousing and manufactured offense, not to mention history revisionism, there really is no logical reason to be against mere statues.


This. More extreme right demonstrations will feed the extreme left which feeds the extreme right feeding the extreme left feeding (...) :?

It's likely to escalate more and more.



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16 Aug 2017, 8:33 am

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This. More extreme right demonstrations will feed the extreme left which feeds the extreme right feeding the extreme left feeding (...) :?

It's likely to escalate more and more.

They're the frayed ends of an entire culture that's been on a tribal anti-intellectual roll for a long time. If everyone else could give up their sacred cows and actually deal with each other the wingnuts would disappear too.


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16 Aug 2017, 9:59 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Alright fellow liberals! Repeat after me!

"Challenge accepted! Game on!"

YOU have NOTHING to do with whether or not the challenge is accepted----AND, it is NOT "Game on", for YOU----cuz YOU are CANADIAN!!

Are you so unhappy with Canada----you find it boring, or whatever----that you have to make yourself feel like you are "in", with the U.S.; like, because the U.S. is more interesting / exciting / whatever, to you, so you feel like you're really involved in something, with meaning?





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16 Aug 2017, 10:41 am

Shrapnel wrote:
^^^

I am finding a different portrait of Lee. After the Civil War he called slavery evil and conducted himself like a gentleman, and worked to unite the country. Nothing about that “Unite the Right” march shared Lee’s values.


On numerous occasions, Lee called slavery an evil institution. For example, on December 28, 1856, he told President Franklin Pierce:
“There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former.”


If the left cannot accept Lee’s contrition after the Civil War than how can they forgive Sen. Robert Byrd (D) who was a member of the KKK at one time?

Answer: Because Byrd’s name is followed by an upper case D.


Most people realized slavery was an evil, which is why the south invented the excuse of "states rights" as a false excuse for the war.
Byrd later recanted and apologized for his abhorrent past.


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16 Aug 2017, 10:49 am

...Do you mean by " he " The May, the Gov, or the author of the NR-printed - but reprinted from somewhere else, IIRC - article? And if you mean
my third choice, are you referring to the graphics that were printed with it? If that is what you mean -:I doubt very much that he had anything to do with the graphics that ran next to it.







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...An article I read in National Review by someone from Charlottsville argues against your " pooorr persecuted martyred alt-rightwers " (implied) narrative. He feels the Gov and May made the right call

Oh yeah? Check the optics he created and see if it doesn't function as an even more powerful recruitment tool. That's where, aside from putting all kinds of people in danger, he's an utterly impulsive moron who handed them 'Teh white oppression is REAL!' on a silver platter.[/quote]


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