Obama gets called for jury duty
05 Nov 2017, 2:24 pm
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
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05 Nov 2017, 3:41 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
What I know is this - the Palestinian people have been living in intolerable conditions for decades now. They live under racism and economic oppression from Israel, which has been settling their land and throwing them out of their homes. Trust me, I have the utmost sympathy for the Palestinian people.
That said, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, have proven themselves to be the very last who want to help their people. One government is hopelessly corrupt and out to make money off the present situation, while the other are fanatics who are only interested in making the current situation worse with their violence.
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05 Nov 2017, 4:18 pm
John Powell forgets that the Palestinians have been murdered by their so called allies in Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Iraq and subject to second class status in much of the middle east. Strange behavior for so called brothers?
The PLO used violence and the killing of innocent women and children (including foreign nationals) yet Yasser Arafat was allowed to strut around the international stage immune. Now HAMAS continues this tradition of bombing Israeli schools and kindergartens and killing teenagers. In addition they have created a police state in the Palestinian territories which they run like a mafia skimming profits into their Swiss bank accounts (sound familiar)
I don't approve of what's happened to the Palestinian people but the main source of Arab anger is not their suffering (frankly I don't think the Arab league care less about Palestinian people) but the principle that a non-muslim people (the Jews) have moved en masse into a muslim land. There's no muslim country anywhere in the world that allows the immigration of non-muslims which is the reason this issue continues to boil over into 2017 (and probably beyond)
05 Nov 2017, 6:20 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
What I know is this - the Palestinian people have been living in intolerable conditions for decades now. They live under racism and economic oppression from Israel, which has been settling their land and throwing them out of their homes. Trust me, I have the utmost sympathy for the Palestinian people.
That said, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, have proven themselves to be the very last who want to help their people. One government is hopelessly corrupt and out to make money off the present situation, while the other are fanatics who are only interested in making the current situation worse with their violence.
See you say all that first bit, but then still blame the Palestinian leadership. Hamas were created thanks to Israel and because Israel tried to destroy the PLO in the 80's. The PA are Israel's puppets. And yes, they are very corrupt and love getting money from Israel and others and don't care about their own people. Israel always wanted Arafat to be a Bantustan leader, having the keys to the prison of Palestine, doing Israel's work.
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05 Nov 2017, 6:31 pm
cyberdad wrote:
John Powell forgets that the Palestinians have been murdered by their so called allies in Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Iraq and subject to second class status in much of the middle east. Strange behavior for so called brothers?
The PLO used violence and the killing of innocent women and children (including foreign nationals) yet Yasser Arafat was allowed to strut around the international stage immune. Now HAMAS continues this tradition of bombing Israeli schools and kindergartens and killing teenagers. In addition they have created a police state in the Palestinian territories which they run like a mafia skimming profits into their Swiss bank accounts (sound familiar)
I don't approve of what's happened to the Palestinian people but the main source of Arab anger is not their suffering (frankly I don't think the Arab league care less about Palestinian people) but the principle that a non-muslim people (the Jews) have moved en masse into a muslim land. There's no muslim country anywhere in the world that allows the immigration of non-muslims which is the reason this issue continues to boil over into 2017 (and probably beyond)
The PLO used violence and the killing of innocent women and children (including foreign nationals) yet Yasser Arafat was allowed to strut around the international stage immune. Now HAMAS continues this tradition of bombing Israeli schools and kindergartens and killing teenagers. In addition they have created a police state in the Palestinian territories which they run like a mafia skimming profits into their Swiss bank accounts (sound familiar)
I don't approve of what's happened to the Palestinian people but the main source of Arab anger is not their suffering (frankly I don't think the Arab league care less about Palestinian people) but the principle that a non-muslim people (the Jews) have moved en masse into a muslim land. There's no muslim country anywhere in the world that allows the immigration of non-muslims which is the reason this issue continues to boil over into 2017 (and probably beyond)
I don't forget anything. Jordan, Egypt and Kuwait were/are allies of Israel. Maybe you're that racist that you believe people in the same ethnic group must be allies.
Arafat was being paid off by Israel. He was a 'terrorist', then became a saint after Oslo, then became a 'terrorist' again in 2000 when he refused to actually sign the deeds to selling his people down the river. Like I said, you don't know anything about this subject. All you have read is Israeli propaganda. Would you sign up to be on a jury if you only heard one side of the argument?
You support Israel bombing schools and hospitals, so why cry when Hamas do it? Oh wait, what hospitals and schools in Israel have Hamas bombed? See everything you accuse the Palestinians of, either their corrupt/pro Israel leaders have done or haven't done at all, or Israel have done it a million times worse. Hahaha, a police state? Who do you think the police are? Israel controls Gaza from the outside and the rest of Palestine from the inside. Oh please elaborate on the Swiss bank accounts please. I beg you.
Blah blah blah. You adopt sadistic Israeli propaganda of blaming the victims. Never Israel! Yeah yeah, maybe the Native Americans just objected to being mass murderer and colonised because it was white Europeans doing it. Jesus!
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05 Nov 2017, 6:57 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
What I know is this - the Palestinian people have been living in intolerable conditions for decades now. They live under racism and economic oppression from Israel, which has been settling their land and throwing them out of their homes. Trust me, I have the utmost sympathy for the Palestinian people.
That said, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, have proven themselves to be the very last who want to help their people. One government is hopelessly corrupt and out to make money off the present situation, while the other are fanatics who are only interested in making the current situation worse with their violence.
See you say all that first bit, but then still blame the Palestinian leadership. Hamas were created thanks to Israel and because Israel tried to destroy the PLO in the 80's. The PA are Israel's puppets. And yes, they are very corrupt and love getting money from Israel and others and don't care about their own people. Israel always wanted Arafat to be a Bantustan leader, having the keys to the prison of Palestine, doing Israel's work.
Then who's supposed to help the Palestinians? That's what I'm asking.
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05 Nov 2017, 8:29 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
What I know is this - the Palestinian people have been living in intolerable conditions for decades now. They live under racism and economic oppression from Israel, which has been settling their land and throwing them out of their homes. Trust me, I have the utmost sympathy for the Palestinian people.
That said, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, have proven themselves to be the very last who want to help their people. One government is hopelessly corrupt and out to make money off the present situation, while the other are fanatics who are only interested in making the current situation worse with their violence.
See you say all that first bit, but then still blame the Palestinian leadership. Hamas were created thanks to Israel and because Israel tried to destroy the PLO in the 80's. The PA are Israel's puppets. And yes, they are very corrupt and love getting money from Israel and others and don't care about their own people. Israel always wanted Arafat to be a Bantustan leader, having the keys to the prison of Palestine, doing Israel's work.
Then who's supposed to help the Palestinians? That's what I'm asking.
The rest of the world. The US especially. Apartheid South Africa fell after the US stopped supporting it, but this is a whole other level. $10 million a day out of your taxes.
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05 Nov 2017, 9:04 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
What I know is this - the Palestinian people have been living in intolerable conditions for decades now. They live under racism and economic oppression from Israel, which has been settling their land and throwing them out of their homes. Trust me, I have the utmost sympathy for the Palestinian people.
That said, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, have proven themselves to be the very last who want to help their people. One government is hopelessly corrupt and out to make money off the present situation, while the other are fanatics who are only interested in making the current situation worse with their violence.
See you say all that first bit, but then still blame the Palestinian leadership. Hamas were created thanks to Israel and because Israel tried to destroy the PLO in the 80's. The PA are Israel's puppets. And yes, they are very corrupt and love getting money from Israel and others and don't care about their own people. Israel always wanted Arafat to be a Bantustan leader, having the keys to the prison of Palestine, doing Israel's work.
Then who's supposed to help the Palestinians? That's what I'm asking.
The rest of the world. The US especially. Apartheid South Africa fell after the US stopped supporting it, but this is a whole other level. $10 million a day out of your taxes.
Yes, I agree that would help having the whole world behind the Palestinians. But that's only going to happen when violence is forsworn, when they stop celebrating tragedies like 9/11, and give up this ridiculous fantasy that they can drive the Israelis into the sea, because they aint going anywhere.
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05 Nov 2017, 9:23 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
What I know is this - the Palestinian people have been living in intolerable conditions for decades now. They live under racism and economic oppression from Israel, which has been settling their land and throwing them out of their homes. Trust me, I have the utmost sympathy for the Palestinian people.
That said, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, have proven themselves to be the very last who want to help their people. One government is hopelessly corrupt and out to make money off the present situation, while the other are fanatics who are only interested in making the current situation worse with their violence.
See you say all that first bit, but then still blame the Palestinian leadership. Hamas were created thanks to Israel and because Israel tried to destroy the PLO in the 80's. The PA are Israel's puppets. And yes, they are very corrupt and love getting money from Israel and others and don't care about their own people. Israel always wanted Arafat to be a Bantustan leader, having the keys to the prison of Palestine, doing Israel's work.
Then who's supposed to help the Palestinians? That's what I'm asking.
The rest of the world. The US especially. Apartheid South Africa fell after the US stopped supporting it, but this is a whole other level. $10 million a day out of your taxes.
Yes, I agree that would help having the whole world behind the Palestinians. But that's only going to happen when violence is forsworn, when they stop celebrating tragedies like 9/11, and give up this ridiculous fantasy that they can drive the Israelis into the sea, because they aint going anywhere.
The only people celebrating 9/11 were the Israelis in the US. The Palestinian video was a pre-packaged tape. Hard to take it seriously when the person with the camera is offering a slice of cake. If you knew anything about the conflict, you'd know that the Palestinians along with the rest of the world has been voting to settle the conflict since the mid 70's with a two state solution on the June 1967 borders. Only the US kept vetoing it. That's impossible now as Israel never wanted that. Apartheid South Africa had to go, so does Apartheid Israel.
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05 Nov 2017, 9:32 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
What I know is this - the Palestinian people have been living in intolerable conditions for decades now. They live under racism and economic oppression from Israel, which has been settling their land and throwing them out of their homes. Trust me, I have the utmost sympathy for the Palestinian people.
That said, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, have proven themselves to be the very last who want to help their people. One government is hopelessly corrupt and out to make money off the present situation, while the other are fanatics who are only interested in making the current situation worse with their violence.
See you say all that first bit, but then still blame the Palestinian leadership. Hamas were created thanks to Israel and because Israel tried to destroy the PLO in the 80's. The PA are Israel's puppets. And yes, they are very corrupt and love getting money from Israel and others and don't care about their own people. Israel always wanted Arafat to be a Bantustan leader, having the keys to the prison of Palestine, doing Israel's work.
Then who's supposed to help the Palestinians? That's what I'm asking.
The rest of the world. The US especially. Apartheid South Africa fell after the US stopped supporting it, but this is a whole other level. $10 million a day out of your taxes.
Yes, I agree that would help having the whole world behind the Palestinians. But that's only going to happen when violence is forsworn, when they stop celebrating tragedies like 9/11, and give up this ridiculous fantasy that they can drive the Israelis into the sea, because they aint going anywhere.
The only people celebrating 9/11 were the Israelis in the US. The Palestinian video was a pre-packaged tape. Hard to take it seriously when the person with the camera is offering a slice of cake. If you knew anything about the conflict, you'd know that the Palestinians along with the rest of the world has been voting to settle the conflict since the mid 70's with a two state solution on the June 1967 borders. Only the US kept vetoing it. That's impossible now as Israel never wanted that. Apartheid South Africa had to go, so does Apartheid Israel.
I can remember when Yasser Arafat had to order the Palestinian media to stop filming the celebrations on Palestinian streets following 9/11.
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05 Nov 2017, 10:31 pm
This thread is getting off topic. We're talking about Obama getting called for jury duty. This has nothing to do with palestine.
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06 Nov 2017, 12:33 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
What I know is this - the Palestinian people have been living in intolerable conditions for decades now. They live under racism and economic oppression from Israel, which has been settling their land and throwing them out of their homes. Trust me, I have the utmost sympathy for the Palestinian people.
That said, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, have proven themselves to be the very last who want to help their people. One government is hopelessly corrupt and out to make money off the present situation, while the other are fanatics who are only interested in making the current situation worse with their violence.
See you say all that first bit, but then still blame the Palestinian leadership. Hamas were created thanks to Israel and because Israel tried to destroy the PLO in the 80's. The PA are Israel's puppets. And yes, they are very corrupt and love getting money from Israel and others and don't care about their own people. Israel always wanted Arafat to be a Bantustan leader, having the keys to the prison of Palestine, doing Israel's work.
Then who's supposed to help the Palestinians? That's what I'm asking.
The rest of the world. The US especially. Apartheid South Africa fell after the US stopped supporting it, but this is a whole other level. $10 million a day out of your taxes.
Yes, I agree that would help having the whole world behind the Palestinians. But that's only going to happen when violence is forsworn, when they stop celebrating tragedies like 9/11, and give up this ridiculous fantasy that they can drive the Israelis into the sea, because they aint going anywhere.
The only people celebrating 9/11 were the Israelis in the US. The Palestinian video was a pre-packaged tape. Hard to take it seriously when the person with the camera is offering a slice of cake. If you knew anything about the conflict, you'd know that the Palestinians along with the rest of the world has been voting to settle the conflict since the mid 70's with a two state solution on the June 1967 borders. Only the US kept vetoing it. That's impossible now as Israel never wanted that. Apartheid South Africa had to go, so does Apartheid Israel.
I can remember when Yasser Arafat had to order the Palestinian media to stop filming the celebrations on Palestinian streets following 9/11.
Can you link me to that?
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06 Nov 2017, 3:18 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
You defend Israel, so what's your point? Neither of you know anything about the Palestine/Israel conflict, so just pack it in.
What I know is this - the Palestinian people have been living in intolerable conditions for decades now. They live under racism and economic oppression from Israel, which has been settling their land and throwing them out of their homes. Trust me, I have the utmost sympathy for the Palestinian people.
That said, the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, have proven themselves to be the very last who want to help their people. One government is hopelessly corrupt and out to make money off the present situation, while the other are fanatics who are only interested in making the current situation worse with their violence.
See you say all that first bit, but then still blame the Palestinian leadership. Hamas were created thanks to Israel and because Israel tried to destroy the PLO in the 80's. The PA are Israel's puppets. And yes, they are very corrupt and love getting money from Israel and others and don't care about their own people. Israel always wanted Arafat to be a Bantustan leader, having the keys to the prison of Palestine, doing Israel's work.
Then who's supposed to help the Palestinians? That's what I'm asking.
The rest of the world. The US especially. Apartheid South Africa fell after the US stopped supporting it, but this is a whole other level. $10 million a day out of your taxes.
Yes, I agree that would help having the whole world behind the Palestinians. But that's only going to happen when violence is forsworn, when they stop celebrating tragedies like 9/11, and give up this ridiculous fantasy that they can drive the Israelis into the sea, because they aint going anywhere.
The only people celebrating 9/11 were the Israelis in the US. The Palestinian video was a pre-packaged tape. Hard to take it seriously when the person with the camera is offering a slice of cake. If you knew anything about the conflict, you'd know that the Palestinians along with the rest of the world has been voting to settle the conflict since the mid 70's with a two state solution on the June 1967 borders. Only the US kept vetoing it. That's impossible now as Israel never wanted that. Apartheid South Africa had to go, so does Apartheid Israel.
I can remember when Yasser Arafat had to order the Palestinian media to stop filming the celebrations on Palestinian streets following 9/11.
Can you link me to that?
It's something I remember seeing reported on TV from those days.
In all fairness, I think we risk getting the thread locked by Alex if we continue arguing about Palestine and Israel.
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