3 killed in random Colorado Walmart shooting
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
Once again the good guys with guns, stop a bad guy with a gun... Oh wait, that didn't happen. They just made it more difficult for the police to identify the gunman. Gun nuts are pathetic. Promises, promises, promises, about how they are the responsible ones keeping society safe from bad guys. When s**t like this goes down, where are they? Hiding like little b*****s. Gun owners are worthless.
Most people that carry guns legally do so for personal protection and not to try to be some kind of hero. That's for the police. I think hiding or running is the appropriate response to the situation armed or not.
A gun is great personal protection to be holding when the SWAT team bursts through the front door.
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That's why you keep your gun hidden unless you need to use it. If you need to use it then you take your chances.
But they didn't keep their guns hidden. They were brandishing their guns. That's why the police couldn't figure out which one was the gunman. The gun nuts were lucky they didn't all get blown away by SWAT. Paranoid cops have been known to shoot unarmed people just because they think they might have a gun. When SWAT comes through the door, anyone with a gun is going to be dead.
0regonGuy wrote:
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
Once again the good guys with guns, stop a bad guy with a gun... Oh wait, that didn't happen. They just made it more difficult for the police to identify the gunman. Gun nuts are pathetic. Promises, promises, promises, about how they are the responsible ones keeping society safe from bad guys. When s**t like this goes down, where are they? Hiding like little b*****s. Gun owners are worthless.
Most people that carry guns legally do so for personal protection and not to try to be some kind of hero. That's for the police. I think hiding or running is the appropriate response to the situation armed or not.
A gun is great personal protection to be holding when the SWAT team bursts through the front door.
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
That's why you keep your gun hidden unless you need to use it. If you need to use it then you take your chances.
But they didn't keep their guns hidden. They were brandishing their guns. That's why the police couldn't figure out which one was the gunman. The gun nuts were lucky they didn't all get blown away by SWAT. Paranoid cops have been known to shoot unarmed people just because they think they might have a gun. When SWAT comes through the door, anyone with a gun is going to be dead.
I bet there where people there carrying that did not draw. You only see the people who do. If you wave your gun around for no reason then you may get shot by the police. Not everyone who carries is that reckless. You assume every gun carrier is a moron who waves their gun at the police. Not true.
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
Once again the good guys with guns, stop a bad guy with a gun... Oh wait, that didn't happen. They just made it more difficult for the police to identify the gunman. Gun nuts are pathetic. Promises, promises, promises, about how they are the responsible ones keeping society safe from bad guys. When s**t like this goes down, where are they? Hiding like little b*****s. Gun owners are worthless.
Most people that carry guns legally do so for personal protection and not to try to be some kind of hero. That's for the police. I think hiding or running is the appropriate response to the situation armed or not.
A gun is great personal protection to be holding when the SWAT team bursts through the front door.
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
That's why you keep your gun hidden unless you need to use it. If you need to use it then you take your chances.
But they didn't keep their guns hidden. They were brandishing their guns. That's why the police couldn't figure out which one was the gunman. The gun nuts were lucky they didn't all get blown away by SWAT. Paranoid cops have been known to shoot unarmed people just because they think they might have a gun. When SWAT comes through the door, anyone with a gun is going to be dead.
I bet there where people there carrying that did not draw. You only see the people who do. If you wave your gun around for no reason then you may get shot by the police. Not everyone who carries is that reckless. You assume every gun carrier is a moron who waves their gun at the police. Not true.
I think this case kind of proves that they are morons.
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Voices warning of demons tormented alleged Walmart shooter for 29 years, sister says
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A 47-year-old Denver man suspected of killing three people at a Thornton Walmart had been haunted by voices telling him the devil was after him since a bad LSD trip damaged his brain 29 years ago, his stepsister says.
Willoughby believes she can trace what ultimately led to the fatal shooting to a drug party her brother attended in 1988. After he took 16 hits of LSD, his life and the lives of his family members were forever changed. Despite the radical change, Ostrem only received counseling from his priest and never saw a mental health professional, his sister said.
Before taking LSD, Ostrem was an outgoing, social person who sometimes had multiple girlfriends. He played football, water skied, fished, hunted and went camping every weekend in the summer. He spent hours in the gym.
“My brother was a people person. He had a different aura,” Willoughby said. “I adored him.”
But that man is gone and Willoughby hasn’t seen him since he attended the drug party.
Ostrem’s effervescent personality changed immediately, she said.
“When he came home he was terrified. He had voices in his head. Demons. My brother was freaking out,” she said. “He was screaming that the devil was after him.”
The family contacted a hospital for help, but Ostrem received only drug intervention, not psychological treatment.
“Nothing helped,” Willoughby said.
But shortly after his grandmother died, Ostrem quit his job and moved into the mountains. He lived alone and bow hunted and fished.
“He went off the grid. Nobody could find him. Not one person on the face of the earth knew where he was,” Willoughby said.
he told family members that they needed to have Ostrem committed to a hospital for a mental evaluation, but that wasn’t ever done and he was never diagnosed with a mental illness.
Last week, Ostrem walked away from his job as a metal fabricator without telling his boss what he was doing or whether he would return. He didn’t.
Willoughby believes she can trace what ultimately led to the fatal shooting to a drug party her brother attended in 1988. After he took 16 hits of LSD, his life and the lives of his family members were forever changed. Despite the radical change, Ostrem only received counseling from his priest and never saw a mental health professional, his sister said.
Before taking LSD, Ostrem was an outgoing, social person who sometimes had multiple girlfriends. He played football, water skied, fished, hunted and went camping every weekend in the summer. He spent hours in the gym.
“My brother was a people person. He had a different aura,” Willoughby said. “I adored him.”
But that man is gone and Willoughby hasn’t seen him since he attended the drug party.
Ostrem’s effervescent personality changed immediately, she said.
“When he came home he was terrified. He had voices in his head. Demons. My brother was freaking out,” she said. “He was screaming that the devil was after him.”
The family contacted a hospital for help, but Ostrem received only drug intervention, not psychological treatment.
“Nothing helped,” Willoughby said.
But shortly after his grandmother died, Ostrem quit his job and moved into the mountains. He lived alone and bow hunted and fished.
“He went off the grid. Nobody could find him. Not one person on the face of the earth knew where he was,” Willoughby said.
he told family members that they needed to have Ostrem committed to a hospital for a mental evaluation, but that wasn’t ever done and he was never diagnosed with a mental illness.
Last week, Ostrem walked away from his job as a metal fabricator without telling his boss what he was doing or whether he would return. He didn’t.
If true that was the ultimate "bad acid"
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0regonGuy wrote:
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
jonny23 wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
Once again the good guys with guns, stop a bad guy with a gun... Oh wait, that didn't happen. They just made it more difficult for the police to identify the gunman. Gun nuts are pathetic. Promises, promises, promises, about how they are the responsible ones keeping society safe from bad guys. When s**t like this goes down, where are they? Hiding like little b*****s. Gun owners are worthless.
Most people that carry guns legally do so for personal protection and not to try to be some kind of hero. That's for the police. I think hiding or running is the appropriate response to the situation armed or not.
A gun is great personal protection to be holding when the SWAT team bursts through the front door.
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
That's why you keep your gun hidden unless you need to use it. If you need to use it then you take your chances.
But they didn't keep their guns hidden. They were brandishing their guns. That's why the police couldn't figure out which one was the gunman. The gun nuts were lucky they didn't all get blown away by SWAT. Paranoid cops have been known to shoot unarmed people just because they think they might have a gun. When SWAT comes through the door, anyone with a gun is going to be dead.
I bet there where people there carrying that did not draw. You only see the people who do. If you wave your gun around for no reason then you may get shot by the police. Not everyone who carries is that reckless. You assume every gun carrier is a moron who waves their gun at the police. Not true.
I think this case kind of proves that they are morons.
How many people there where carrying but did not draw?
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