UK is introducing a new soft drink tax.

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06 Apr 2018, 7:18 pm

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Taxing soft drinks is not going to make obesity go away. The government will have to regulate everything people eat in order to control obesity through government intervention.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritions ... act-sheet/
https://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/27/heal ... index.html



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06 Apr 2018, 7:25 pm

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EzraS wrote:
Taxing soft drinks is not going to make obesity go away. The government will have to regulate everything people eat in order to control obesity through government intervention.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritions ... act-sheet/
https://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/27/heal ... index.html


I'm in my phone right now, but later on I'll be glad to post links showing a large variety of consumables that also contribute a lot towards obesity, including sugar free diet drinks.

I wonder if little kids juice boxes will be an extra $1.75 per ouce too.



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06 Apr 2018, 7:43 pm

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Soft drinks aren't food.


Whatever. You know what I mean.

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And restaurant food is more expensive than healthy food one buys at the store.


I'm pretty sure that fast food is less expensive than healthy food. That's why so many poor Americans stuff themselves with the stuff.

I know that fine dining is expensive though.

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Foods like bred, pasta and potatoes are loaded with sugar. That's why people with diabetes have to avoid them.


... which is why people should stick to meat and vegetables most of the time.

This can be hard because bread is inexpensive compared to healthier plant-based foods.

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People get obese on high starch sugar carb foods and foods with fat content. Also overeating period causes obesity. Taxing soft drinks is not going to make obesity go away.


Yes it will.

Medieval peasants ate a lot of bread, but they were rarely obese because modern junk foods didn't exist.

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The government will have to regulate everything people eat and in what quantities in order to control obesity through government intervention.


Once again, you are using an absurd and hysterical example of the slippery slope fallacy. If modern junk foods were regulated, this would cut down on obesity. There would still be some obesity, but it would no longer be an epidemic.

Why do you persistently insist that every form of social progress is an attempt at creating a dictatorship? Would you like me to assert that every Christian is a supporter of the Ustashe?


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06 Apr 2018, 7:44 pm

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I'm in my phone right now, but later on I'll be glad to post links showing a large variety of consumables that also contribute a lot towards obesity, including sugar free diet drinks.

I wonder if little kids juice boxes will be an extra $1.75 per ouce too.


Whatever. Little kids, from a early age, should be taught to drink water.


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06 Apr 2018, 8:07 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I'm in my phone right now, but later on I'll be glad to post links showing a large variety of consumables that also contribute a lot towards obesity, including sugar free diet drinks.

I wonder if little kids juice boxes will be an extra $1.75 per ouce too.


Whatever. Little kids, from a early age, should be taught to drink water.


No juice or milk (also full of sugar) eh?

But yeah, everyone should be on a strict diet of only water and organic vegetables. And the government sould be in control of that.



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06 Apr 2018, 8:17 pm

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No juice or milk (also full of sugar) eh?

But yeah, everyone should be on a strict diet of only water and organic vegetables. And the government sould be in control of that.


Stop trolling.

You do this all the time on this site. You troll us and then you b***h about how we are cyberbullying you.

I'm not saying that juice and milk are bad for you. I'm saying that water is the best drink, especially for growing children. Kids today don't drink as much water as they should.

I never said that a strict diet of only water and organic vegetables is ideal. Human beings naturally eat cooked meat. I'm not a vegetarian and I don't ever plan to become one.


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06 Apr 2018, 9:03 pm

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because making s**t foods more expensive isn't going to make healthy foods cheaper.


No. But making unhealthy foods cost closer to, the same, or more than healthy foods will likely make more people choose healthier foods. That’s the whole point & I wholeheartedly approve.


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06 Apr 2018, 9:14 pm

Oh yeah, this will absolutely work. :roll:



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06 Apr 2018, 9:25 pm

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Oh yeah, this will absolutely work. :roll:

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How about posting something of substance next time?


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06 Apr 2018, 9:29 pm

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They have done this in Seattle. $1.75 per ounce. That's a ridiculously high charge. Seattle isn't that huge of a city and people can just go over to neighboring cities to avoid it.

Kern's Nectar variety pack $11.99 + $6.03 City of Seattle Sweetened Beverage Recovery Fee = $18.02

The problem I see with this is the ol slippery slope of what's next? And if tax starts at $1.75, how high will it go?

It's said the tax will directly impact small businesses in a negative way and it also targets the working class.

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Nope. The tax is only one one hundredth of what you think it is. It’s written right there in the pic: 1.75¢ per ounce, not $1.75 per ounce. The example math adds up, though.

Sin taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, cannabis, and now sugar are a good thing IMO. They help offset the healthcare, lost productivity, and other societal costs incurred by the products they’re attached to.

As a consumer, these unhealthy vices should only be consumed in moderation anyways, so I’m okay with high taxes on them. And if I have the time and desire to drink, smoke, or eat a lot then I accept that I have to pay to play.


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06 Apr 2018, 9:56 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
No juice or milk (also full of sugar) eh?

But yeah, everyone should be on a strict diet of only water and organic vegetables. And the government sould be in control of that.


Stop trolling.

You do this all the time on this site. You troll us and then you b***h about how we are cyberbullying you.


Us, we? Am I supposed to be an outsider? I made a comment only based on what you said, not against you personally at all. You then launched a very aggressive personal attack against me. That's cyberbullying.



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06 Apr 2018, 9:59 pm

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lostonearth35 wrote:
Oh yeah, this will absolutely work. :roll:

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How about posting something of substance next time?


How about being polite?



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06 Apr 2018, 10:34 pm

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I'm pretty sure that fast food is less expensive than healthy food. That's why so many poor Americans stuff themselves with the stuff.


A McDonald's Quarter Pounder is $3.79 each. At a QFC grocery store, a package of 6 buns costs $3.29, which is $0.54 per bun. Ground beef is $4.79 per lb. That comes out to about $1.20 per 1/4 pound burger.

People eat fast food because it's convenient, not because it's cheaper.

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I know that fine dining is expensive though.

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Foods like bred, pasta and potatoes are loaded with sugar. That's why people with diabetes have to avoid them.


... which is why people should stick to meat and vegetables most of the time.

This can be hard because bread is inexpensive compared to healthier plant-based foods.

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People get obese on high starch sugar carb foods and foods with fat content. Also overeating period causes obesity. Taxing soft drinks is not going to make obesity go away.


Yes it will.

Medieval peasants ate a lot of bread, but they were rarely obese because modern junk foods didn't exist.


Right, so all junk food would need to be regulated. People who eat a steady diet of junk food with a diet coke or even water aren't going to be all that much thinner or healthier, are they?

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The government will have to regulate everything people eat and in what quantities in order to control obesity through government intervention.


Once again, you are using an absurd and hysterical example of the slippery slope fallacy. If modern junk foods were regulated, this would cut down on obesity. There would still be some obesity, but it would no longer be an epidemic.


Your reply to what I said is basically the same thing I wrote. So where did you get hysterical slippery slope from?

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Why do you persistently insist that every form of social progress is an attempt at creating a dictatorship? Would you like me to assert that every Christian is a supporter of the Ustashe?


Where did I ever say every form of social progress is an attempt at creating a dictatorship? You created a strawman logical fallacy there. However, I do believe it's wise to consider the possible consequences to certain actions.



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07 Apr 2018, 12:02 am

A few months ago I drank a can of Dr. Pepper. That’s the first and only time I’ve drank any pop in the last ~5 years. The f**k if I care if they charge $10 a can. :lol:


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07 Apr 2018, 12:13 am

goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
They have done this in Seattle. $1.75 per ounce. That's a ridiculously high charge. Seattle isn't that huge of a city and people can just go over to neighboring cities to avoid it.

Kern's Nectar variety pack $11.99 + $6.03 City of Seattle Sweetened Beverage Recovery Fee = $18.02

The problem I see with this is the ol slippery slope of what's next? And if tax starts at $1.75, how high will it go?

It's said the tax will directly impact small businesses in a negative way and it also targets the working class.

Image


Nope. The tax is only one one hundredth of what you think it is. It’s written right there in the pic: 1.75¢ per ounce, not $1.75 per ounce. The example math adds up, though.

Sin taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, cannabis, and now sugar are a good thing IMO. They help offset the healthcare, lost productivity, and other societal costs incurred by the products they’re attached to.

As a consumer, these unhealthy vices should only be consumed in moderation anyways, so I’m okay with high taxes on them. And if I have the time and desire to drink, smoke, or eat a lot then I accept that I have to pay to play.


You're right, I read the price wrong. However, how is Kern's Nectar which is made with whole fruit; No high fructose corn syrup; 100% natural, an unhealthy vice? You really don't think it being raised from $11.99 to $18.02 is too high? And do you think that amount isn't going to increase? Or that other "unhealthy vices" will never be added to the list? Also if soda pop is going to be equated with tobacco, alcohol and cannabis, doesn't that also mean there should be surgeon general warning labels and a minimum age attached to it like the others?



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07 Apr 2018, 12:24 am

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A few months ago I drank a can of Dr. Pepper. That’s the first and only time I’ve drank any pop in the last ~5 years. The f**k if I care if they charge $10 a can. :lol:


I don't drink sugary beverages either. That doesn't mean I don't see potential problems, even if they don't affect me personally. What if they want to start taxing something you do use like the internet? People pay income tax and sales tax, and that should be enough tax, without adding individualized item taxes. I think it sets a bad precedent.

My guess is the next item to be individually taxed will be gasoline. And I supposed the liberal reply to that will be, "good, it will force people to take public transportation and force them to ride bicycles which will make them healthier and best of all it will save the planet". The keyword being; force.