The ultimate cause of autism

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15 Apr 2018, 6:45 am

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There’s a difference between a theory and B-rate fiction writing for a made for TV movie.

He reminds me some of you to be perfectly honest.

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15 Apr 2018, 1:31 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:

There’s a difference between a theory and B-rate fiction writing for a made for TV movie.

He reminds me some of you to be perfectly honest.

In the sense that you don't believe him, either, I'm sure.

The difference is that I didn't play a game of selecting random variable and pretend that they're correlated or linked in a cause-effect chain to ASD. I figured out what actually causes, or at least exacerbates to the nth degree, my ASD symptoms & how to successfully treat them and then shared that with the group here. Like my forum signature used to read: "Just because you don't believe me, doesn't make me a liar."

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15 Apr 2018, 7:31 pm

Honesty isn't the issue. I take it for granted both you and the other are being sincere. But that doesn't make what's being said sound credible. And to a large degree it's the way both of you present your ideas and yourselves in the process that's a problem. There seems to be a lack of understanding or disregard in how you both come across to others and why.

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15 Apr 2018, 9:11 pm

I’m sure I come across as a guy who’s extremely pro treatment who would do whatever it took to treat this disorder and live a better quality of life.

There are approximately zero others like me on this forum afaik as most seem to prefer complaining instead of doing anything about their symptoms.

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15 Apr 2018, 10:03 pm

That sounds just like the other guy. He said the same thing about others whining instead of using the miracle approach that's workrd so perfect for him and his kids. But to you what he writes sounds like grade-b science fiction. And seems likely he'd say the same thing about your approach. Pot and kettle all the way.

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15 Apr 2018, 10:14 pm

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Except for the part where none of that is true whatsoever. The OP of this thread did not share anything about how he successfully treats his ASD symptoms. Instead he posted a bunch of random unrelated things and stated that they were theories, correlated, and somehow believes they're cause & effect despite there being zero information presented that would suggest any such possibility. Big difference, young EzraS.

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15 Apr 2018, 10:53 pm

You're missing or dodging the point, which is what I expected. Dispite certain creative differences, you and elkonabridge are quite similar in both presentation style and attitude.

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15 Apr 2018, 11:19 pm

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Things changed with invention of the bow. That was when hunting became easy. Population increased, but animal supplies dwindled, meaning people were forced into agriculture for steady food supply. Food became stored, which meant the start of pillaging wars. Hunting groups became smaller, and dog domestication turned crucial. Whoever had dogs, survived better in wars. This was the moment color blindness entered human history: it helped humans to see through camouflage of opponents. BAP (Broad Autism Phenotype) entered around the same time, probably related to bow and arrow technology, and war planning. This was the end of epipaleolithic or mesolithic era, and dawn of agriculture or neolithic era. Human clan size increased from the "Dunbar's number" (150 people) typical of hunter-gatherer societies, to several hundred.

So, deciding to adopt archery as a hobby will turn a person colourblind. It has nothing to do with heredity, genetics... ?

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Because of quick depletion of animals for meat supply (after invention of the bow), people were forced to domesticate animals: poultry or cattles. Settlement population grew further (above 1,000), with the steady supply of meat. Unfortunately, that also meant more incentive for wars. Government and politics started to enter the scene: local bullies started to collect "protection fee," which meant taxes. These mafia "godfathers" needed accountants. (In a lot of languages, "livestock" or "cattle" still means "wealth.") The mafia bosses worked with the "bean counter" accountants side-by-side.

The mafia existed in Paleolithic times? Wow, I did not know this.

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Those clans with good brainy accountants ensured survival in the case of internal fights or external wars.

You don't need to be brainy to be an accountant. Well, I don't think so anyway.

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This is because of better planning, or better weapon design. That was the moment for the clinical-level of autism to enter the human race.

So you're claiming that people who engage in cerebral activities like accounting, designing weapons and so on will go on to have offspring that are either born with, or develop, autism. Have I got that right?

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Now, it was not just some clever guys, but brilliant geniuses. The accountants were necessarily physically weaker, so not to pose a threat to the mafia boss. The accountants that were physically strong wouldn't have become accountants: they would have been either drafted to labor, or to defense work, like everyone else. Or if they did do accounting but were a threat to the mafia boss, they would have been killed. That is why autistic people usually have some physical shortcomings. Physical shortcomings are not a bug, but a feature.

Having autism does not equal being a "brilliant genius". Most of us are nowhere near being a genius, never mind a "brilliant" one. In many cases it actually leads to developmental delays, for example in language development.

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From there, the wheel, metallurgy, and writing, were all invented. But the real trigger to modern human life was the invention of the bow. It was the equivalent to today's gun. The bow was what has introduced color blindness and autism in humans. The bow was the single most important cause of modern human life. It was what has separated us from animals, and what has affected our genetics via "natural selection by wars." Clans without autism? Sorry, those ones have been eliminated a long time ago.

"The bow was what has introduced color blindness and autism in humans." A claim that is purely speculative, not to mention utterly bizarre. It also has not a shred of evidence to support it. It also reminds be of the (now discredited) ideas of Jean-Baptiste Lamarck.

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15 Apr 2018, 11:39 pm

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You're missing or dodging the point, which is what I expected. Despite certain creative differences, you and elkonabridge are quite similar in both presentation style and attitude. Like I said before, your demeanor is probably why you're practically the only left regularly posting in this sub-forum.

You're missing my point entirely. You equated what we each posted, and it simply isn't so. What I've shared and what this thread is are apples to oranges; completely incomparable.

Further, so are our presentation style and attitude, for that matter. I shared my personal story & experience of using medicine to treat my ASD symptoms, this guy threw some darts at a medical journal (or something) and came up with "theories," to post on the forum and presented them as some sort of cause of autism. Hardly similar.

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16 Apr 2018, 1:09 am

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Big difference, young EzraS.

Stop being such a dick.

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16 Apr 2018, 1:16 am

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You're stuck on one post. I'm considering the bulk of what this person and you have come up with in regards to treating autism. How you both present your methods as infallible based on self assessment. The condesending attitude you both display towards those you both call whiners who won't give it a try etc. That's the way you both sound so much alike. And that neither of you seem to get how you come off to others while touting methods that you say have made you a better person than the rest of us whiners and doubters. So who's methods am I supposed to embrace. He at least has a phd and offers his kids performance as the result of how certain his methods are.

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16 Apr 2018, 1:19 am

EzraS wrote:

goldfish21 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

You're stuck on one post. I'm considering the bulk of what this person and you have come up with in regards to treating autism. How you both present your methods as infallible based on self assessment. The condesending attitude you both display towards those you both call whiners who won't give it a try etc. That's the way you both sound so much alike in those regars. And that neither of you seem to get how you come off to others while touting methods that you say have made you a better person than the rest of us whiners and doubters. So who's methods am I supposed to embrace. He at least has a phd and offers his kids performance as the result of how certain his methods are.

Did you even read this thread?

He didn't present a treatment method of autism in the least bit.

He attempted to suggest through some bizarre fictional storytelling that caveman accountants became autistic by firing a magic bow. (or however the story went) None of that has anything to do with him treating ASD symptoms whatsoever.

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16 Apr 2018, 1:34 am

goldfish21 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

goldfish21 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

You're stuck on one post. I'm considering the bulk of what this person and you have come up with in regards to treating autism. How you both present your methods as infallible based on self assessment. The condesending attitude you both display towards those you both call whiners who won't give it a try etc. That's the way you both sound so much alike in those regars. And that neither of you seem to get how you come off to others while touting methods that you say have made you a better person than the rest of us whiners and doubters. So who's methods am I supposed to embrace. He at least has a phd and offers his kids performance as the result of how certain his methods are.

Did you even read this thread?

Like I said, I'm considering the bulk of what this person and you have come up with in regards to treating autism. How you both present your methods as infallible based on self assessment. The condesending attitude you both display towards those you both call whiners who won't give it a try etc. That's the way you both sound so much alike. And that neither of you seem to get how you come off to others while touting methods that you say have made you a better person than the rest of us whiners and doubters.

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16 Apr 2018, 1:45 am

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He didn't present a treatment method of autism in the least bit.

Neither did you. What you presented, in amongst a great deal of irrelevant, excitable, and at times incoherent babbling, was a list of symptoms which you believe to be autism, a radical change in your diet, and that your symptoms improved around about the time you changed your diet. In your mind this equates to you having "figured out how to treat what ails us all" (your words), which shows an astonishing degree of arrogance and self importance.

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16 Apr 2018, 1:51 am

To quote Rhett Butler: “Frankly, dear, I don’t give a damn!”

I can do without comments and attitudes like those posited by the OP. I’m in the twilight of my life, with not much to show for it, other than misery. Leave me alone in peace.

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16 Apr 2018, 2:23 am

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goldfish21 wrote:

He didn't present a treatment method of autism in the least bit.

False.

I read more than 10,000 pages about all this stuff & know my diagnosis.
I learned what medicines to use, and how, and used them, and they've alleviated ASD symptoms as per the diagnostic criteria. I've been sharing this on here for nearly 5 years. The feedback I get from others lets me know when I'm slipping, and then I analyze and learn why (often it's been antibiotic use), treat myself, and then the way I function combined with the feedback from others indicates how well it works. This isn't magic or placebo effect. This is direct cause & effect, ailment & treatment via medicine.

There have been several articles published over the last 5 years about researchers looking to the intestines and gut flora as causes of ASD, too. This is not some "fringe lunatic theory," with no basis in reality. There are other people who have successfully treated theirs, or their childrens', ASD symptoms via probiotics, too. I've read of them and seen them in documentaries etc. I just happen to be one of, if not the, first on these forums.

If you had figured this out you'd have been excited to share it, too. And of course it's important; I've figured out how to treat Asperger's Syndrome and live a MUCH better, healthier, wealthier, more socially connected life for it.

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