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Nira
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19 May 2018, 5:57 pm

Every time when I read some news like this I wonder why it happened.

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I think he probably did have a mental condition(s)(Autism is a possibility based on how people are describing him) that went undiagnosed because he knew how to hide his dark it enough not to bring attention.

I think only autism can't be reason why it happend. His mental condition(s) could be caused by bullying. This is terrible what happend and I don't want defend him.

I was bullyed several years, when I was 15 I attempted suicide (but I never wanted to hurt anyone else). I know how hopeless I was.

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Are we going to adopt a "you got to watch out for the quiet one's" policy? Are we going to mandate searches of the computers of males between the ages of 13 and 30 because there might be warning signs?

Maybe bullying is most problem. An interesting movie on this subject - The Class.

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19 May 2018, 6:07 pm

Unfortunately, too many Americans view the right to have your own personal arsenel as much a right as the right to worship as you please.

To my fellow Yanks here, the second amendment was written in an era when our country was for the most part an unsettled, wild frontier where you needed guns to protect you from bears and witches and red coats and Indians. Those days are long past, as are the ones where a gun was a single shot musket that took the better part of a minute to reload between shots. That part of our regetable national heritage needs to be reexamined in light of these changes.

And dont give my any garbage about hunting and sportsmanship, Canada has plenty of shotguns and rifles for this purpose and they dont have monthly shoot em ups like we do.

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19 May 2018, 6:11 pm

People who don't store firearms securely are enablers, and should face legal consequences, as they do in other countries that don't have these atrocities.

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19 May 2018, 6:19 pm

B19 wrote:

People who don't store firearms securely are enablers, and should face legal consequences, as they do in other countries that don't have these atrocities.

Secure storage being defined as what exactly?

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19 May 2018, 6:27 pm

Raptor wrote:

B19 wrote:

People who don't store firearms securely are enablers, and should face legal consequences, as they do in other countries that don't have these atrocities.

Secure storage being defined as what exactly?

Not leaving a loaded AR-15 lying around in your bedroom like irresponsible gun owner forum member sly279.

There’s a reason we have laws about storing guns with trigger locks on them in locked gun safes separate from locked up ammunition.. and that reason is because it’s effective and in the best interest of public safety.

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19 May 2018, 6:41 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

The small number of responses to this thread is an indication that this is becoming normalized. Media coverage is heavy but not to the degree it would have had the same incident happened even a few years ago.

Kiprobalhato wrote:

^ i guess you're right

we've gone down this path a bunch of times in the past year or two, what is there left to say, really?

Ditto to both. I see the decline in 'regular' terror attacks too.

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Well, quite frankly, seeing as they are the usual perpetrators.... that might not be such a bad thing. Although it will just give them incentive to express themselves/ search elsewhere, me thinks. But maybe keeping an eye on them and incels might save lives.

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19 May 2018, 7:43 pm

B19 wrote:

People who don't store firearms securely are enablers, and should face legal consequences, as they do in other countries that don't have these atrocities.

We know it was not his gun but his dad's legal sawed-off shotgun that was used. We do not know how he got the gun or how the bullets got in them. In Texas, it is illegal to not secure your LOADED gun where it can be obtained by a minor which is defined there as 17 or younger

Many states have laws intended to keep kids away from guns

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19 May 2018, 10:02 pm

RainbowUnion wrote:

To my fellow Yanks here, the second amendment was written in an era when our country was for the most part an unsettled, wild frontier where you needed guns to protect you from bears and witches and red coats and Indians.

These witches, red coats, and Indians weren't much different than these modern school shooters.

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19 May 2018, 10:21 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

B19 wrote:

People who don't store firearms securely are enablers, and should face legal consequences, as they do in other countries that don't have these atrocities.

The language in some laws as they pertain to guns and kids can be a bit ambiguous. "Recklessly leaving a gun available" and"Easy access for a minor" or words to that effect come to mind. The age varies by state, too. Aside from locking them in an actual safe, any teen with two brain cells to rub together can figure out how to defeat trigger locks, cable locks, and storage cabinets.

Call me a troll, but to me the answer to the problem of school shootings lies elsewhere. Calling easy access to guns the problem ignores deeper problems that no one wants to tackle.

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19 May 2018, 10:23 pm

The_Gimp wrote:

RainbowUnion wrote:

These witches, red coats, and Indians weren't much different than these modern school shooters.

The need to be armed and able to defend oneself goes well past just school shooters.

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19 May 2018, 10:31 pm

Raptor wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

B19 wrote:

People who don't store firearms securely are enablers, and should face legal consequences, as they do in other countries that don't have these atrocities.

Why can't the answer be both?

Clearly your country has some major issues with lack of healthcare/mental healthcare.. but that problem is compounded big time by loaded guns lying around.

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20 May 2018, 12:27 am

Really sad, don't really have an emotional response, can't bare to look at this news

Just going to keep happening

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20 May 2018, 12:40 am

SZWell wrote:

Really sad, don't really have an emotional response, can't bare to look at this news

Just going to keep happening

Yep. All of this. I haven't read anything about it.. it's just become such a common part of the news cycle that we don't even really feel much of anything about it anymore. It just keeps happening. :/

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20 May 2018, 1:09 am

Copied from a PR person on my FB:

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Tracy Lamourie
15 hrs · Hamilton, ON ·
People killed by handguns last year:
Japan - 10
UK - 50
Switzerland - 47
Canada - 611
Israel - 105
Sweden - 41
The United States - 38,658
I know you guys feel like guns make you safer but clearly they don't. Also clearly they cause great damage in the only country on that list sharing a border with you. Whats wrong with you people?

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20 May 2018, 1:50 am

goldfish21 wrote:

SZWell wrote:

Really sad, don't really have an emotional response, can't bare to look at this news

Just going to keep happening

To a degree maybe but the movement whose tactics we were arguing about awhile back is very big which is evidence people are feeling something.

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20 May 2018, 1:57 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

goldfish21 wrote:

SZWell wrote:

Really sad, don't really have an emotional response, can't bare to look at this news

Just going to keep happening

To a degree maybe but the movement whose tactics we were arguing about awhile back is very big which is evidence people are feeling something.

Well, yes, there's that.. but I meant the reaction to the headline. It's become so common that when I heard it it almost may as well have been the weather report in terms of the emotional reaction it caused in me. So many people are becoming so desensitized to hearing that a bunch of school children just got shot & killed that their responses are muted as well. People besides us are having these conversations. Any other time in history if we heard about 10 school children being murdered we'd probably all have tears streaming down our faces.. but when it happens once a week there's an acknowledgement of "Oh, that's sad," and that's about it - which is, in and of itself, sad.

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